Santandercol
2825 posts
Jul 28, 2008
10:22 PM
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Here is a few pics of some Oriental Rollers I just received a few days ago.Only keeping 6 out of 12 I had shipped another guy is getting the rest.Need to build a new breeder pen for when these guys are old enough.
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Kel.
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Santandercol
2826 posts
Jul 28, 2008
10:23 PM
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Kel.
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Santandercol
2827 posts
Jul 28, 2008
10:23 PM
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Kel.
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rollingline33
37 posts
Jul 28, 2008
10:50 PM
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just a quetion do you cross breed? with all do respect i feel and belive that bird people like us get tempted (the ones that have other breeds) to cross breed? i belive we get curious to see watt hapens wen you cross breed ... i think if i had another breed i would cross just to see if the roll changes i guess just to study the mix... but then i would have to bar b Q the mutts cuz i cudnt let them mess up the BR!! to me its like saying i own some porn movies but i never seen them come on!!!! i have nothing against any other pigeon breeds or breeders... but i have that feeling that 1 out of every 3 or 4 pigeon breeders that have orientals and other BR look alikes mix and match them just out of curiosity...
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PR_rollers
1444 posts
Jul 28, 2008
11:03 PM
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Kel so you got your ORF,,good luck with them..let me know how they do against BOP when they are mature.
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Ralph
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Santandercol
2837 posts
Jul 28, 2008
11:15 PM
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Will do Ralph.
Rollingline,
Not a chance.I don't even want to mix different families of the same breed.My BRs that are Neible/Barrett crossed have the most issues and I'll probably stop breeding them next year.They are real deep but I get more rolldowns and early landers and non kitters out of that cross.Unless you know lots about genetics,I think it is kind of ignorant to start cross breeding and even then you better have a lot of time on your hands to study the offspring and refine whatever it is you've set out to accomplish in the first place.I'm about as smart as a stick when it comes to genetics and am just starting to understand the names of the multitude of colours pigeons come in.
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Kel.
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CVRC
406 posts
Jul 28, 2008
11:32 PM
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those are some nice looking OR's
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Cristian Castro
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CVRC
407 posts
Jul 28, 2008
11:32 PM
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those are some nice looking OR's
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Cristian Castro
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nicksiders
3028 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:05 AM
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Kel,
Ship him the yellows(LOL)
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Santandercol
2841 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:20 AM
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Nick,
He's getting my 3rd round of BRs.Should be happy with that I hope.
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Kel.
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mcroller
174 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:34 AM
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kelly fine lookin birds ,how old are they.let me know how they do up again the falcons.
jimmi
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PR_rollers
1446 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:35 AM
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Goop Post on crossing Kel..I hope the newbie get a good reading on that..
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Ralph
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Santandercol
2843 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:36 AM
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jimmi,
They're just young having only just shed their yellow pins.I'll be breeding off these ones and flying the offspring.
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Kel.
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kopetsa
1238 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:46 AM
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kel. you need to breed a bunch of them yellows! Everybody will want your birds! Also, where are you getting your fantails from. I got a solid black one that come from Californie.. lol I got it from a breeder who got it from there..
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Andrew
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rollernewbie
28 posts
Jul 29, 2008
9:56 AM
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nice OR Kel...hope they do great for you...like andrew said breed them yellows, anf fly them and call them the flying suns....lol...jk...also tell how they perform...havent heard alot about ORs yet...
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-Billy
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Santandercol
2844 posts
Jul 29, 2008
10:09 AM
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There is an excellent forum on Flying Orientals.Anyone interested,click on my profile,send me an e-mail and I'll send you the link.The Flying Oriental Roller Society is a new and rapidly expanding club in the U.S. and it even has a Canadian member.Me.
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Kel.
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Santandercol
2845 posts
Jul 29, 2008
10:24 AM
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I haven't been researching ORs for long,but the only time I've heard of guys crossing their ORs is the Show(4 letter word)breeders and Dale Husband has admitted to crossing the BR into one of his lines to get his whites many years ago.
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Kel.
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city-side-lofts
220 posts
Jul 29, 2008
12:17 PM
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i know a guy that has Fantails from rusty cosby a fantail master breeder
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Windjammer Loft
360 posts
Jul 29, 2008
2:19 PM
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Santandercol.....NICE looking FOR. What family are they from. I've got some of the Husbands, all buffs & tuffs. I do like those blacks. Good luck with them.
J_Star... As for the cross breeding. All the fanciers that I know DON'T cross their FOR with anything but FOR.. Just to set the record straight.
And for those that don't know anythihg about the FOR colors. The yellow color is called buff or cinnamon.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Santandercol
2854 posts
Jul 29, 2008
2:32 PM
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Paul,
These birds are way back Teddy Hull birds but they've been through John Skistimas'loft since then and who knows what I've got here as he has alot of showbirds but is said to have always had a kit of flyers.Got some birds coming from Cali next month from proven performers but had to prove these ones here as well so see what we have by next year.
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Kel.
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Windjammer Loft
361 posts
Jul 29, 2008
2:39 PM
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Kel... GOOD choice with the Teddy Hull line. Iam going to try to get some Fehrholtz line in the future if possible. Iam supposed to be getting a pr from John myself. Iam curious to see hoe his birds fly.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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rollingline33
38 posts
Jul 29, 2008
8:17 PM
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thanx J star!!
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rollingline33
39 posts
Jul 29, 2008
8:33 PM
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send me a yellow one!! a hen lol
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Santandercol
2858 posts
Jul 29, 2008
11:34 PM
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Paul,I'll let you know how the offspring do next year.
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Kel.
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SSLOFTS
84 posts
Jul 30, 2008
4:32 PM
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Jstar,LOL!!! Believe me,you don't need to cross to BRs to get real deep ORs.Alot of the BS that goes around about ORs is because guys get sold show birds as fliers.They put them up,birds don't do crap,so the guy says all ORs are junk.
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Windjammer Loft
364 posts
Jul 30, 2008
4:41 PM
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Kel...Kool, I'll have a better idea myself of how mine will do too. Maybe we can trade afew??
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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sippi
433 posts
Jul 30, 2008
6:50 PM
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Yeah I have kept silent until the cross thing was brought up. I dont know any flyer that crosses OR's with Birms. The only crosses I know of were for color. I did it one time just for kicks and got garbage. Not as good as either family. The OR performs differently than Birms. Apples and Oranges. Both breeds can stand on thier own merits.
Kel I would fly them first and then breed the good ones.
sippi
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Santandercol
2869 posts
Jul 30, 2008
9:47 PM
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Ya figure eh sip?Yeah,it will be more work allright to breed the 3 pair I have now than say if there are only 2 birds out of the six that are mine to keep out the 12.I'm kind of leary about flying a bird I paid $50 plus shipping to get with these damn henery out back here.I thought I was gone clear till mid sept when they let me have clear skies from June 7th till July 24th but then when the hen bitch took a donek one night then a roller next night I been locked down 6 days now.I'm awful tempted tho with Bob Rapp sending me several birds next month I'll still have a card or 2 up my sleeve even if I do lose some of these ones.I guess it's still"Breed best to best"tho and the best in my books are the ones that perform AND dodge the Henery and Mr Coop.Yer probably right with your suggestion.I better start trap training 'em,eh.
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Kel.
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kopetsa
1282 posts
Aug 03, 2008
11:13 PM
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Kel.. I'm like 99.9% sure I met that bird in the second picture.. (right in the middle and in the front..) They are all very nice! I never knew they were so huge though.. until i met them in person. lol
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Andrew
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Santandercol
2898 posts
Aug 03, 2008
11:16 PM
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I only kept 6 of that lot but will start flying em out some later this week.Gotta prove this bunch unfortunately before breeding.No body has yet here.Can't wait to see the next bunch I'm getting.Husband birds,performers.yaeah
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Kel.
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kopetsa
1283 posts
Aug 03, 2008
11:29 PM
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Good luck with them.. make sure you don't fly all 6 at the same time. lol them coops will chase them all away because they are young too.. Keep them yellows in and breed, breed, breed lol Thats how I roll.. ahaha
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Andrew
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Santandercol
2900 posts
Aug 04, 2008
5:47 AM
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Yeah,no these guys will be trap training a couple days and on the wing I hope by wednesday,thursday.
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Kel.
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PR_rollers
1506 posts
Aug 09, 2008
11:39 PM
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Kel how those ORF doing >?
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Ralph
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Santandercol
2909 posts
Aug 10, 2008
6:40 AM
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Hey Ralph,
They are making a few loops around the yard but just low flying so far.They have homed in pretty quick.Been putting them out on top of the kitbox then putting the BRs up to encourage them to fly but everytime I put the BRs up lately the SOB henery show up and hell breaks loose.There has been an Osprey fishing down on the beach in front of our place the last few evenings but he doesn't bother my birds.Not much time left to get these birds happening as by mid sept we'll be shutdown probably.At least I haven't lost any birds for quite sometime,the BRs I have left are pretty BOP wise and the Donek too but hard to get any kind of decent performance when they are being harrassed allatime.
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Kel.
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1983 posts
Aug 10, 2008
6:46 AM
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Good morning Amigo....Kelly......
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RUDY PAYEN
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Santandercol
2911 posts
Aug 10, 2008
10:49 PM
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Hola Rudy,tenemos un nuevo BB-Q pero hasta ahora solo cosimos salmon.
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Kel.
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Santandercol
2979 posts
Sep 03, 2008
11:30 PM
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Somebody was looking for pics of some dun coloured birds.2nd pic down on page one of this post in the middle is a dun bird.
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Kel.
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PR_rollers
1548 posts
Sep 04, 2008
7:46 PM
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Kel BOP try to hit those guys yet.are they going up on you yet..?
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Ralph
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Santandercol
2988 posts
Sep 04, 2008
9:57 PM
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Ralph,
The peris attacked once but not a sustained one.The 2 birds he went at just sort of dodged him and flew on.The BOP have been only halfheartedly checking things out lately and haven't lost any birds for awhile.Been flying these ones steady and getting some deep tailrides but no spins yet.Last month got 6(2 breeders and 4 YBs) of the real deal from California but they are staying in the breeder loft for now and I'll fly their young.They are sweet lookin birds man,smaller than the ones I have pics on here and man are they fast and slippery in the loft to get away from me.Once I have them in my hand they are cool and calm.Gotta get some pics of them up here.
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Kel.
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ICEMAN710
511 posts
Sep 05, 2008
2:01 AM
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looking foward to seeing the pics of said birds. The birds in the pics looks good. I like the balck self and the duns. Best of luck with them!
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Gary
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PR_rollers
1552 posts
Sep 05, 2008
8:53 PM
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Kel can't wait to see them..smaller Hmm what line are they if i may ask..
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Ralph
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fresnobirdman
5 posts
Sep 07, 2008
8:05 AM
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how deep do you think they will roll?
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Santandercol
2997 posts
Sep 07, 2008
9:15 PM
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ok ok but yes sorry i'm slack about downloading and all that stuff to post em.With four different breeds to fly it keeps me hopping around the yard till dark.Time to lockdown the BRs tho.Friggin falcons.I put the hommers up they come in no attacks,the Doneks go and come back safe and happy,then the Orientals still no attacks then as soon as them BRs get to 300-400ft the damn Henery show up and the chase is on.For some reason they only want to go after the BRs.
As far as how deep they will roll don't know yet these ones I have flying are still only doing tailrides,40-60ft ones tho and the odd twizzle.I have read from the other guys on the FORS forum they will do all kinds of different manouvers,dives,spins(yes deep ones),twizszels to name a few tricks.Pics are on the camera.stay tuned!
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Kel.
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rollingline33
108 posts
Sep 09, 2008
8:48 PM
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kel i dont know why but im allways thinking about you and the (orientals) those look alike brs!! i was sitting at work and i was just like wat kind of crosses is kel working on today!! im so scared of pigeon fanciers that breed brs and other breeds specialy oris!!i cant trust you guys!! im sorry kel!! god forgive me for thinking like this about kel!! sorry kel!! i hope your not working on the next chupa cabra roller!! lol
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Santandercol
3010 posts
Sep 09, 2008
9:58 PM
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rollingline,how could you think such blasphemy!!!!?????Not a chance.My Neible BRs stay pure in this house.It would be absolute sacriledge to allow anything else.I have 1, 1/2 Barrett 1/2 Neible bird I've been breeding last couple years and her young have finally told me to turn her into a foster bird.They don't want anymore --ckup bros and sis's.No,,I won't be crossing any of these ORs to BRs or vice versa so don't sweat it dude!!By the way,my ORs don't look anything like the BRs at all.Guess I better get my A into G and put up some more pics,eh!
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Kel.
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