rollingline33
58 posts
Jul 30, 2008
9:03 PM
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how do you make an almond cock? or if you have one cock watt color should the hen be to have a good color balance on the kids??
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J_Star
1698 posts
Jul 31, 2008
5:39 AM
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Why!! just buy one. Give Paul Gomaz a buz. He has the prettiest Almonds.
Jay
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2008 5:40 AM
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pat66
169 posts
Jul 31, 2008
6:51 AM
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Can not see colors if they are spinnin!
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Pat
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rtwilliams
195 posts
Jul 31, 2008
7:26 AM
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Almond is a genetic color modifier. You have to have it to produce more. I do not know if it is recessive or dominant, maybe someone else can help with that?
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RT Williams
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2008 7:26 AM
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bman
600 posts
Jul 31, 2008
7:43 AM
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Dominant, one parent must be an almond.
Almond cock X non almond hen = 50% almonds
almond hen X non almond cock = 100% almonds
If my memory is any good!
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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J_Star
1701 posts
Jul 31, 2008
10:03 AM
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From the looks of RollingLine is you need a hen to get all Almond offsprings.
Jay
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sippi
434 posts
Jul 31, 2008
10:30 AM
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Almond to kite bronze produces the best almonds. To me classic almond and sprinkel are the two most handsome colors birds can come in. But as said you have to have it to make it.
sippi
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM
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rtwilliams
197 posts
Jul 31, 2008
11:43 AM
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Bman
If almond cock is homozygous, wouldn't all of his offspring carry the almond gene?
If the cock is heterozygous then the ratio above would hold true.
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RT Williams
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creeksidelofts
21 posts
Jul 31, 2008
12:12 PM
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I have a black mottle cock mated to a almond hen and I get about half almonds.I get part black almonds,almond,red mottles,black mottles.They have been mated for two years and produce some very good deep very frequent birds.
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bman
601 posts
Jul 31, 2008
12:13 PM
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RT, since almond is dominant it can not be "carried"
It is either almond or not. At least that is how I understand it.Just like red and blue. Red being dominant a red cock can carry blue but not vice versa. A hen is what you see is what you get with the color.
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Ron
Borderline lofts
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rtwilliams
198 posts
Jul 31, 2008
1:38 PM
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bman
Almond is still carried on two loci (one from the cock, one from the hen). If on one it is shown (ie dominate)if on both still shown but passed to all offspring.
example red cock homozygous breed to blue hen. all male offspring red carrying blue. all females red.
almond cock homozygus breed to non almond hen. all offspring carrying almond. The male must pass almond to the offspring, He does not have a gene with out the almond not to pass to offspring.
Just my thoughts. Been 10 years since genetics in college and still learning about pigeons.
I could easily be wrong.
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RT Williams
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Alan Bliven
396 posts
Jul 31, 2008
2:13 PM
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>>>how do you make an almond cock? or if you have one cock watt color should the hen be to have a good color balance on the kids?? <<<<
The only way to make an almond is with another almond.
If you have one almond cock, no matter what non almond you mate him to you will get half almonds in cocks and hens.
If you mate him to another almond their sons will be 1/2 homozygous Almond (white with possible eye problems or die in the shell), and 1/2 Almond. Their daughters will be 1/2 almond and 1/2 non almond.
The best way to make classical almond is by mating him with a kite, but many people preffer straight almond x almond matings and take their chances with the homozygous Almond.
If you mate an almond hen to a non almond cock, all their sons will be almond and all their daughters non almond.
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Alan
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2008 2:15 PM
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rtwilliams
199 posts
Jul 31, 2008
4:55 PM
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Alan
Thanks for helping me understand. I was unaware that homozygous Almond was a fatal gene combination. With that information everything makes sense.
I can see why color breeders have so much fun. I still just like to see them perform.
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RT Williams
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Electric-man
1892 posts
Jul 31, 2008
5:06 PM
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Good to see you post Alan! Hope all is well! God bless!
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Val
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rollingline33
59 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:07 PM
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THANX GUYS ON THE INFO!! BUT CUD ANY ONE POST A PICTURE OF SOME GOOD ALMOND ROLLERS. AND A PICTURE OF A KITE? I DONT KNOW WATT COLOR THAT IS I WANT SOME GOOD BALANCE ROLLER KIDS FROM MY ALMOND PARING MY ALMOND COCK IS A GOOOOOOD ONE!!
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rollingline33
60 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:08 PM
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OPPS!! SORRY IT WAS ALL CAPS...
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Alan Bliven
397 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:33 PM
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Val,
Nice to "see" you again!
I am just a lurker now, not much to post because all my extra energy goes to the newly revived Flying Oriental Roller Society. It's been fun getting the club back on it's feet. It's only been 6 months and we have more than 70 members already.
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Alan
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nicksiders
3038 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:40 PM
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It is about time, Alan
I thought an almond question would roust you out(LOL).
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Alan Bliven
398 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:43 PM
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It's been so long I forgot how to post pictures. Here's one of my Almonds
http://www.cichlidlovers.com/for_g_almond.JPG
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Alan
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2008 8:46 PM
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Alan Bliven
399 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:47 PM
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Hey Nick, ole buddy, ole pal! I guess an Almond post brings us both around ;)
Nice to see you again!
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Alan
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Alan Bliven
400 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:54 PM
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Depends on what type of an Almond you want. The one I posted is Classical Almond. It's a Kite Bronze Almond. JM420LOFT's is a nice Spread Almond (Black Almond)
If you want Classical Almond, mate your Almond to a Kite. If you want Spread Almond, mate your Almond to a Black.
Almond can take on an almost endless amount of different expressions, depending on what factors are in the bird along with Almond.
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Alan
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Alan Bliven
401 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:55 PM
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This one is a Recessive Red Almond:
http://www.cichlidlovers.com/for_g_deroy.JPG
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Alan
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Alan Bliven
402 posts
Jul 31, 2008
8:58 PM
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I see JM420LOFT's picture was deleted. Oh well, it was a nice bird!
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Alan
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rollingline33
64 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:05 PM
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thanx alan!! do you still have your fire balls?
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JM420LOFT
66 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:07 PM
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SORRY TO BIG TRY A CREAM BAR HEN. THIS A COCK 30FT ROLLER
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2008 9:11 PM
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rollingline33
65 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:08 PM
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is almond a color pigeon? or was or is a BR original color?
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Alan Bliven
403 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:11 PM
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I gave all my Fireballs to Bruce Kuhlman. I am concentrating on the Orientals, trying to get this breed back in the air where they belong.
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Alan
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creeksidelofts
23 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:14 PM
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Heres a pic of a black almond and a brown almond cock.  
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rollingline33
66 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:17 PM
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alan are fireballs considerd BRs or another breed?
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Alan Bliven
404 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:18 PM
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I heard Almond was transferred to the Birmingham Roller approx 70-80 years ago. But I wasn't around then to confirm it.
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Alan
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JM420LOFT
67 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:18 PM
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can make pix small the mother to this hen is a cream bar.
Last Edited by on Jul 31, 2008 9:22 PM
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Alan Bliven
405 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:19 PM
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Fireballs are Birmingham Rollers
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Alan
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rollingline33
68 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:20 PM
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thanx!! alan
robert33
and i senn the almonds ther nice!!
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rollingline33
69 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:21 PM
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nice almonds you have ther 420!! watt blood lines are they?
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rollingline33
70 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:23 PM
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watt blood lines are your rollers creeksidelofts? nice!!
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JM420LOFT
68 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:25 PM
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those are my dauther rollers. i don't the blood line.
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creeksidelofts
24 posts
Jul 31, 2008
9:29 PM
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The black almond is a Jaconette and the other i'm not sure.I keep him around because he raises some pretty good birds.Tony
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ezeedad
684 posts
Aug 01, 2008
12:30 AM
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Here's a qualmond... Just to make things more confusing..
Paul G
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trevsta65
303 posts
Aug 01, 2008
3:12 AM
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correct me if im wrong alan the eye problem you refer to when you mate two almonds together is called bladder eye
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cheers trev
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rockx.559
118 posts
Aug 01, 2008
8:59 AM
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here's an almond too...I purchased him instead of breeding it out.
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Scott
1034 posts
Aug 02, 2008
5:48 PM
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Paul, you are taking your eye off of the ball bud.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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ezeedad
685 posts
Aug 02, 2008
8:39 PM
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Me..?? Scott...?? No, I breed for performance... and I am focusing on the hole from now on... The rest of the stuff is just window dressing... and it helps to be able to tell the birds apart.
Paul
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SSLOFTS
89 posts
Aug 03, 2008
5:49 AM
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Trevsta65,Bladder eye is correct. Nick
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CSRA
1612 posts
Aug 04, 2008
6:33 AM
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Paul keep your eye on the ball (baseball) lol
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