jnyce
227 posts
Aug 04, 2008
3:38 PM
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can some one tell me what grain and seed does for ur birds
jerry t
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sundance
707 posts
Aug 04, 2008
3:41 PM
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I think Nick posted what you`re looking for a couple weeks ago. Some good info if you can find it. Come on Nick, I know you`re out there. Was it your post that I remember.?
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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jnyce
228 posts
Aug 04, 2008
4:19 PM
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i tried to find a post on it but didnt find what i was looking for
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jerry t
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Santandercol
2903 posts
Aug 05, 2008
5:45 AM
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My young kitbirds get wheat,milo,maple peas and safflower.Once they come into the roll their main feed is wheat 90%,milo 10% with some Y/B mix every 10 days or so.During the moult they get Y/B mix and their performance goes for a shit but they will recover from the moult better.Breeders get 18% pellets in a cafeteria feeder 24/7 with popcorn,wheat,milo,peas and safflower.Grit always with oyster shell.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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jnyce
233 posts
Aug 05, 2008
5:49 AM
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thanks but what im trying to find out is what feed does what like i was told the wheat makes them fly a lil higher
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jerry t
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Santandercol
2905 posts
Aug 05, 2008
5:53 AM
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You need to experiment to find out what is going to happen with your birds with different feeds.For some,barley brings 'em down.Others will go up with barley.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Electric-man
1911 posts
Aug 05, 2008
10:28 AM
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J Star has posted the results a couple of times in the past also! He studies it pretty hard!
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Val
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jnyce
235 posts
Aug 05, 2008
5:49 PM
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do any one now the topic
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jerry t
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PR_rollers
1474 posts
Aug 06, 2008
10:49 AM
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Here is something that I kept because Scott points it out real well. pay attention to the part about feeding youngsters.
One thing that you must keep in mind is that these are living creatures and not machines.
And you must familiarize yourself with at least basic knowledge of of the seeds being used , and yes they need a well rounded diet to build feather,muscle,bone and to maintain health.
These birds are also breed towards a fault "rolling" which is brought on by stimulation and or weakening their mental state , this is done mainly by feed.
Also these birds are athletes , they need "lean" muscle to roll hard , once you take it past "lean" everything suffers including health as the body if basically eating itself , no bird rolls well once this starts taking place,at least not for long. And like any athlete you cannot maintain optimum condition for extended periods of time or they go past the lean muscle stage.
Milo will do exactly this after a fairly short period of time as it is a high carb seed that is more air than anything else.
Wheat is a great grain for bringing birds into roll condition (not all families), but should NEVER be used as the only source of nutrition for more than a few weaks, possibly a month in the heat of Summer , in mild weather mature birds not being flown do fine on it.
Young birds are just like kids, they need a good solid mix to grow muscle,feather, bone and to mentally mature properly.
Breeders MUST have a solid rich feed also , not only for the obvious reasons of feeding growing youngsters but they also need it for them selfs as breeding season is very taxing on them , myself I like 16 0/0 lay pellets, for a breeding mix you want 16 0/0.
The hotter families need a richer mix to keep them from plowing dirt , my family runs more on the stable side , Wheat excels with my family , but that doesn't mean that they are kept on wheat, I also want to maintain muscle and this is done with protein when needed.
Pellets are for breeders only , pellets contain to much salt which ups the water intake which over a short period of time destroys quality (if it was there in the first place).
Milo- high carbs,very weak due to a lot of air in it , I use it to lean up birds fast if needed
Wheat- good all the way around seed, weak when fed only by itself, good for bringing mature birds into condition , will also slow wing beat.
Peas - protein , birds must have when condition is brought to close to the edge (mature)also needed in a maintenance diet , young birds need it in their diet to grow properly !!!!!!.
safflower - fat, another must have seed when the diet needs to be richened up ,also valuable during moult.
Corn- must have when the weather gets extream, in N. Calif. I use Safflower in it's place , Fat = heat
of course these are just the basics but valuable info that was needed on this thread.
Scott
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Ralph
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TheGame
122 posts
Aug 06, 2008
12:17 PM
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Is it just my birds or do all young birds have a hard time eating peas?? My birds try picking it up but can't seem to get it to go down...
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J_Star
1708 posts
Aug 07, 2008
5:42 AM
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One thing I disagree with Scott’s writing is youngsters will grow muscles, feathers and what have you even if you feed them Wheat or rice and beans with hot sauce (lol). Good pigeon mix used not just for growth but is used for keeping youngsters at a good altitude in the air while they are learning and training. Once matured, they will hang around that altitude without problems and you would not have a problem with birds dotting out.
Jay
Last Edited by on Aug 07, 2008 5:53 AM
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