nicksiders
3098 posts
Aug 19, 2008
10:23 AM
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What is the significant difference in performance between the long casted birds and the shorter casted birds?
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Aug 19, 2008 1:57 PM
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nicksiders
3100 posts
Aug 19, 2008
2:01 PM
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I am looking for the differences in performance. Do the long casted birds roll with more depth? What is the difference in velocity if any? Difference in frequency?
Another thought; is the long casted bird more suited for 11 Bird Kit competition, or not?
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Nick Siders
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Ballrollers
1399 posts
Aug 19, 2008
2:08 PM
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Based on the birds that I have seen in the air and handled accross the country, and based on what is reported by other veteran flyers, there are rollers of all sizes and types that are capable of quality performance with speed. I don't think we can over-simplify it or generalize, Nick.
Cliff
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Scott
1096 posts
Aug 19, 2008
3:23 PM
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Nick, myself I like a little cast, it smooths out the roll more than short & cobby,I think short and cobby comes more from what we "think" they should be and at one time had the same mindset.
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Mount Airy Lofts
764 posts
Aug 19, 2008
4:19 PM
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I believe the longer casted birds give off a more smoother, more stylish roller. Probably just me.
Thor
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Spin City USA
79 posts
Aug 19, 2008
8:15 PM
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David Kowalski(I think that is how you spell his name) has a book on the subject. It has to do with the keel bone,its length,and how it is in relationship to the vent bones. It is also a factor in where the birds center of gravity is. That seems to be why some birds look like they have to work and others make it seem effortless. There is a perportional relationship to all the parts,so if they spin properly the are probably built right.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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birdman
644 posts
Aug 19, 2008
10:43 PM
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Nick, are you asking about the family of birds that you're working with?
The pair I sent you is a longer cast cock and a short cobby hen. By now you should have enough of their young in the air to test your theory. Let us know how they progress. That hen is sweet too! I need her back when you're done with her as I have a special cock bird for her.
In my birds the longer birds have excellent balance and appear smooth as syrup while rolling. Some are shallow and some are deep but the fluid roll is the same no matter how deep. The short cobby birds are fast in a violent way and many are X wingers due to a shorter wing stroking around a full rounded body.
Russ
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gotspin7
1735 posts
Aug 20, 2008
4:28 AM
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Nick, with me I think is MEDIUM all the way, I really look for their keels being up front.
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nicksiders
3106 posts
Aug 20, 2008
1:32 PM
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Russ,
As soon as it cools down I will send your way. I will say that those that carried the smoke, seem to smoke. I will give them a closure look as to what bird is carrying what cast as it relates to what level of performance.......what?
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Nick Siders
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Square
418 posts
Aug 20, 2008
1:58 PM
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I agree with Thor, I have two families I have been working on for about ten years now. one of the families are longer in cast, in fact most that handle thease rollers reconize that first. I have noticed that the longer cast birds seem to roll alot smoother, go in smooth and start to speed up then come out smooth. My other family is alittle more violent in the two transitions, going in and comming out. Also the longer cast birds tend to be alot deeper.. but thats just my birds..
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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J_Star
1721 posts
Aug 21, 2008
5:51 AM
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Folks, that observation are only to your family of birds. Each family bred a little different for what the breeder wanted to have in his birds. Therefore, you can not make such a general claim. In my family of birds, they are the deeper ones. My White family of rollers “The Wedding Bells” is all long casted and they are the deepest of all I have.
Jay
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Square
420 posts
Aug 21, 2008
9:47 AM
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Hay J Star, are your 'Wedding Bell's" mostly bull eyed? just wondering, as I really enjoy deep rollers, and breed them often.. could you maby send me some pic's ? pigeonbook@yahoo.com Thanx for your time..
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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CSRA
1630 posts
Aug 21, 2008
10:46 AM
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I with you Sal long casted birds will show the hole shorter ones close the hole up like a baseball
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J_Star
1723 posts
Aug 22, 2008
8:26 AM
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Square, they have pearl eyes mostly. They are double homgenious grizzle. Some are pure whites and some have some red feathers here and there. I will take pictures and email you.
Jay
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Square
422 posts
Aug 22, 2008
8:47 AM
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Sweet J thanx, Yea my raising partner got one of the original pairs I started with. the hen is a red grizzle and the cock is a white with red bars. He is producing quite a few whites, me on the other hand only produced one this year. They are all mostly odd sides and sattles. You going to the big show tommrow? thanx agin for your time.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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