kopetsa
1431 posts
Aug 26, 2008
9:27 PM
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Here is a pair that I'm going to try now, I just put them in a breeder's pen.. The male is ash red and then hen is rec. red. They were in this cage just for the pic.
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TheGame
167 posts
Aug 26, 2008
9:39 PM
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Whats the difference between a Ash red and a Recessive red??
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kopetsa
1432 posts
Aug 26, 2008
9:48 PM
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Well ash red is darker..
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Andrew
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washington86
489 posts
Aug 26, 2008
10:48 PM
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That doesn't look like a ash to me. It looks more like a red. I though ash red are more toward the maroon color.
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W.Cha
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ICEMAN710
500 posts
Aug 27, 2008
12:17 AM
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goodluck with them kop, how were they in the air? what family are they from and lastly did you breed them? best of luck! and keep us updated.
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Gary
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kopetsa
1433 posts
Aug 27, 2008
12:41 AM
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Hey Ice.. I bred the male.. Not sure how he is, his parents were from very good stock.. (20-30 footers) And the hen I picked out from the air, she is about 15-20 ft..
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Aug 27, 2008 12:42 AM
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ICEMAN710
501 posts
Aug 27, 2008
12:59 AM
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nice~! goodluck with them
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Gary
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gotspin7
1769 posts
Aug 27, 2008
4:32 AM
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Good luck K.
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Sal Ortiz
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ArlenS
98 posts
Aug 27, 2008
2:23 PM
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Ash red color is a dominant and sex-linked gene. Hens carry only one color gene (usually either ash red or blue). Cocks carry two color genes. They can carry and will appear ash red while they also may carry blue (heterozygous), or they can carry both ash red genes (homozygous). Ash red cocks carrying blue most often have black tick marks on the wing flights and tail. Self colored (no other modifiers present) ash red birds have ash colored (light gray) wing flights and tail, and will have a red pattern on the wings, either T-check, check, or bar. Recessive red is a mutation that in the homozygous state covers up the normal color with red. It requires inheritance of the gene from each parent (homozygous) to express itself. Recessive red has no pattern, and will have red wing flights and tail. However, if a bird carries the pied gene for white flights and tail, you will not see the ash color in those areas for ash red or see the red in those areas on recessive red. Grizzle is a dominant modifier that may add white to the wing shields for both ash reds and recessive reds.
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sundance
762 posts
Aug 27, 2008
6:20 PM
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Arlen... Man, I wish I knew and understood all the genetic information you post. I read it every time, usually two times or more. Ahhhhhh... makes my head spin man...LOL
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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ArlenS
101 posts
Aug 28, 2008
12:49 PM
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Butch,
As a scientist and health professional, I have always been interested in genetics. I have researched pigeon genetics as a hobby. Some here on this site by virtue of their extensive breeding experience with larger flocks over more years know more about some aspects than I do because they have seen more examples of varied expressions of phenotypes. There are several good sources in some books and on the internet. However, the consensus is that the most comprehensive source with the best pictures is right here on this website store: Axel Sell's book. I highly recommend it.
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rollernewbie
53 posts
Aug 28, 2008
6:40 PM
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Nice looking pair...hope they do well..
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-Billy
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mcroller
200 posts
Aug 28, 2008
8:23 PM
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fine lookin birds
jimmi
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kopetsa
1439 posts
Aug 28, 2008
8:27 PM
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Thanks guys! All I can say is WOW Arlen lol You do know quite a bit! :)
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Andrew
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