kopetsa
1467 posts
Sep 04, 2008
1:57 PM
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This is ridiculous, out of all my 08 birds that I have bred this year, only the odd one is a hen. About 1/5 or 1/6 is hen sometimes. It is kind of weird. 80% - 90% of my birds are now male. This is kind of strange.
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Sep 04, 2008 5:51 PM
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az-je
13 posts
Sep 04, 2008
3:13 PM
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Same here...about 90% male in our 2008 rollers and just as many last year. Can't seem to get any hens.
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gotspin7
1808 posts
Sep 04, 2008
6:04 PM
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Wow! That has never happened on this side, it is usually 60% cocks 40% hens every year.
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Sal Ortiz
Last Edited by on Sep 04, 2008 6:05 PM
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sippi
516 posts
Sep 04, 2008
7:23 PM
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I too am running eighty to ninety percent cocks this year. Last year I had mostly hens. I was picking through twenty five birds this afternoon trying to get two hens. I sent a friend four birds a month ago and they were all cocks. I have only raised about four hens in my Orientals out of thirty or forty.
Sippi
I do like to fly all cocks though. Never had one lay in the kit box yet.
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ICEMAN710
513 posts
Sep 05, 2008
2:06 AM
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Ive bred more cocks than hens this year as well. I tell you it varys from year to year kop. Next year you just might get more hens than cocks or 50/50 or the likes.
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Gary
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TheGame
193 posts
Sep 05, 2008
7:53 AM
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Any ideas why you guys are getting more cocks then hen?? Do you think temperature effects the chances of having males and females? I know for some reptiles it does... but then again a bird isn't a reptile lol...
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155
773 posts
Sep 05, 2008
11:54 AM
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WHAT???????
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EVILLOFT'S
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Square
462 posts
Sep 05, 2008
12:07 PM
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yea my two teams are mostly hens...the 11bird team im working on is all hens.. 06 and 07... and my other 22bird team 19 hens and 3 cocks... i have some hold over cock bird's about 4 or so,, but they are way too cocky... I basicall brokum down to nothing and they still want to drive... and that is even with a black out curtian on the loft...
Square..
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TheGame
197 posts
Sep 05, 2008
10:19 PM
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Maybe its Global Warming LOL
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kopetsa
1480 posts
Sep 05, 2008
10:20 PM
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just maybe it is.. nnnnnoooooottttttt
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Andrew
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mario
81 posts
Sep 06, 2008
12:21 PM
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ALL I HAVE IT S MALES ....Im going nuts .....Mario
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az-je
18 posts
Sep 06, 2008
1:19 PM
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my birds are on the all natural plan and are never medicated for anything so i know it isn't that
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Opinionated Blowhard
109 posts
Sep 06, 2008
4:06 PM
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Those of you breeding mostly cocks, i would like to know if your rollers are inbred. Inbred families of rollers breed more cocks than hens. The more inbred they are the more cocks. Thats my experience.
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kopetsa
1482 posts
Sep 06, 2008
4:43 PM
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No I do not Inbreed..
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Andrew
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Oldfart
808 posts
Sep 06, 2008
4:50 PM
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I have more hens then cocks, about 75% hens. The cock's are so far at least the better preformers.
Thom
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az-je
19 posts
Sep 06, 2008
7:21 PM
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none of my birds are inbred. i know a lady raising various "fancy" breeds that are not inbred and she is getting more males than hens also.
agreed...the cock birds are much better performers/rollers
Last Edited by on Sep 06, 2008 7:24 PM
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scrimpscrampi
40 posts
Sep 10, 2008
6:27 PM
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I have noticed that we are getting a lot of males. Have two great hens, but no males to put them with. Have a new bunch just going, hopefully our luck will change.
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scrimpscrampi
Tulsa, OK
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sippi
543 posts
Sep 11, 2008
10:11 AM
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It is just the law of averages catching up. For the last three years I bred mostly or all hens. This year the opposite. Almost all my birds are heavy inbred but a couple of lines are not at all. Same results every year. No meds either "root-hog or die" around here. I must say my birds are much more healthy since I quit trying to cure sick pigeons. I rarely ever have a sick bird. If I do it is instant gone unless it is a very very good producer. No babying kit birds or squeaks at all.
sippi
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kopetsa
1503 posts
Sep 11, 2008
1:16 PM
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why "No babying kit birds or squeaks at all" sippi You can't exterminate everything..
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Andrew
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az-je
20 posts
Sep 11, 2008
2:34 PM
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it's not about extermination the way i read it but more about the laws of nature and how the strong will survive...naturally. i don't give any meds, i quit hand feeding the abandoned or sickly babies, i don't worry about the young bird's trapping in after flying for the very 1st time. "what will be will be" with dry and clean housing, good food and clean water and training.
Last Edited by on Sep 11, 2008 2:35 PM
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kopetsa
1505 posts
Sep 11, 2008
3:36 PM
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quote: "i quit hand feeding the abandoned or sickly babies"
There is absolutely no reason for that..
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Sep 11, 2008 3:37 PM
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az-je
21 posts
Sep 12, 2008
2:35 PM
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what i meant was that on a rare occasion i used to hand feed, keep warm, worry all night and try to save a baby roller that was left uncovered and got too cold in the nest, neglected or abandoned by it's parents (or whatever) to have it just die anyway. it is my opinion: nature's way of culling so that the strong will survive
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kopetsa
1509 posts
Sep 12, 2008
3:12 PM
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"nature's way of culling" or not, maybe the fosters just aren't good. What you used to do, there is nothing wrong with that at all!
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Andrew
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wishiwon2
81 posts
Sep 12, 2008
8:09 PM
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If the parents are poor providers, why would you want to perpetuate that trait by nursing along abandoned babies. Like begets like. I dont want a weakened stock at my loft.
Especially in regaurds to medication, if we continually try to medicate and save everything everytime, we are setting ourselves up for a disaster. Most of the organisms which cause sickness in our pigeons are capable of adapting, evolving and surviving our effort to medicate against them. Thus we potentially are creating super strains of malicious organisms through our over-medicating. Additionally if our birds are never allowed to build up immunity or resistance against illnesses, when the flock does become infected, the outcome will be of much greater magnitude.
Nature has a system to insure the perpetuation ofm a species. Those that are weak are biologically unfit and should not be part of the population.
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kopetsa
1515 posts
Sep 12, 2008
9:06 PM
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No matter what, I will never let one of my birds die.
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Andrew
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Santandercol
3028 posts
Sep 12, 2008
9:12 PM
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Nothing wrong with inbreeding pigeons Andrew.It's done ALL the Time.Nothing wrong with letting nature take it's course either as we're not pigeon gods.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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kopetsa
1516 posts
Sep 12, 2008
10:37 PM
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I'm a pigeon God.. :D
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Sep 12, 2008 10:38 PM
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Velo99
1890 posts
Sep 13, 2008
10:17 AM
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Andrew,
When a chick is pushed from the nest by the parents there is usually a reason. A weak or sick bird will fall behind and potentially can wreak havoc on a kit of squeakers by hanging behind,tree sitting,early landing and developing other bad habits usually perpetrated by weaker birds or birds that are considerably younger than the kit it is placed in. Unless one is reallllllly tight on birds,cull the sick and weak ones.
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V99
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kopetsa
1521 posts
Sep 14, 2008
12:59 AM
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I have never in my life had a sick baby/bird overall. that I've had to cull. Thank God. Probably couldn't either.
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Andrew
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