Square
465 posts
Sep 08, 2008
10:40 AM
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I just really got more into other people and their birds. and this is mostly from the comp aspect... However I have noticed that alot of people look down on bigger rollers... I have had people see my rollers and stock, and say that they liked the smaller ones however if I showed them the parents they would say unknowling they are too big,,, Do alot of you folke think you need all smaller rollers to breed small rollers??? for me and my family... Some of the biggest make what most call Ideal or typeie... Can a larger roller be typie???? I know what it is for me, in my opion and minds eye,,, just wondering what you folks think... This is my opion and only mine... I like a strong roller in wing chest and back... I understand the whole eveloution thing espically in respects to the B.R.. However It is with my experince that when I hold a prized roller outta some people's loft they feel great,,, however they are more of a plum or peach feel rather than a apple... I know this was only a rule of thumb from the past however I like the apple feel... maby the greats should hav been more specific on the type of apple they were reffering too.... LOL as there are so many diffrent kinds nowdays... Eveloution agian plays apart as I can assure you we have alot more types of apples today than before.... Just a thought... are we now looking for smaller apples!!!!!!!!??????....
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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rollingline33
107 posts
Sep 08, 2008
11:23 AM
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this is a good one!! square!! my birds are prety big they tell me!! do you have some pics to compare? i notice on the nbrc web site allot of difrences in size on every ones birds.. a good big roller too me rolls better but he has to have control and it has to handle its self like a champ in the air!! to make the size work for him!! i have both!! and size and wind makes a difrence!! good one !! and i see that about 80 somethng percent of watts out ther is tea cup size lol!!
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norlan hollingate
749 posts
Sep 08, 2008
12:35 PM
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ye square
really what does it matter about size length eyes etc etc if they roll n roll good fast n deep there comp birds not show birds i got them all shapes n sizes n do ok in comp so to me there is to much said about type n strain
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Electric-man
2002 posts
Sep 08, 2008
12:48 PM
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Size does matter!
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Val
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fhtfire
1506 posts
Sep 08, 2008
6:03 PM
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The bigger rollers got smaller...lOL>...it is all in what you breed for.....you get the small genes...your birds will get smaller....as you pick what you like.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Santandercol
3003 posts
Sep 08, 2008
9:56 PM
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I think the bigger Rollers all went to the show.JDA,I agree with your Red Delicious,it's definately not a Graventstein or a King.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2008 9:57 PM
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Square
466 posts
Sep 09, 2008
10:52 AM
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Yea I agree with the biger roller got smaller thing, but some of my bigest make my smallest... and I accept this,,, however I really enjoy the oddness of this and plan to keep it... I have some bigger birds that roll really good... I have also seen some pics of the great birds of the past and reconized the size onum.. I really dont mind the small dove type roller but with my perticular family it take the bigun's to makeum... so I will never strey from that... thanx for all the positive feed back ... and Paul send me you e-mail info....
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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fhtfire
1513 posts
Sep 09, 2008
11:00 AM
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paulfullerton@sbcglobal.net
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
1745 posts
Sep 09, 2008
11:10 AM
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Hay Paul, are you going to make it this year to the convention!
Jay
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norlan hollingate
757 posts
Sep 09, 2008
1:16 PM
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hi val
ive only eard women say size does matters i think u are being rood lolllllllllll
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kopetsa
1495 posts
Sep 09, 2008
1:24 PM
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I always thought my rollers were huge but after I see everyones else.. mine are the same or even smaller.. I like them to have nice heavy back skull and a nice big chest. With a short tail too.
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Sep 09, 2008 1:25 PM
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kopetsa
1496 posts
Sep 09, 2008
1:25 PM
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JMO, I do not think size matters at all. I have seen big rollers and small roller do very extremely well.
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Andrew
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fresnobirdman
16 posts
Sep 09, 2008
2:17 PM
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a lot of me breeders are big but all there babys are small,
really small.
even when they fully grown they stay there same size.
does anyone know why this happens?
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Scott
1157 posts
Sep 09, 2008
2:40 PM
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ThanksGiving happened
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Electric-man
2004 posts
Sep 09, 2008
4:38 PM
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We have a lot of wind here in Okla.. I don't like my birds too small! The seasons are just now changing and wind will play a big factor in my training. Since the WC and the FF are in the spring and fall, I figure that the odds are high that I will have wind on fly day.
Get your mind out of the gutter Norlan! LOL Why would I care about the size of anything else? Just ornaments on a tree at my age!
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Val
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Square
476 posts
Sep 09, 2008
4:56 PM
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Like wise elictric guy, the wind is heavy in my parts also... I have found that the bigger birds handle the conditions better... Also when it come to breakingum down,,its alot of less impact onum when they have alittle more ass onum...
Square..
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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mario
83 posts
Sep 09, 2008
6:22 PM
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it s like a race horse sometimes is small and full of hart ,then he goes to breedind and he get lot bigger that you don t recognise him.......Mario
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Anthony
18 posts
Sep 10, 2008
8:13 AM
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I have not been raising roller long enough to tell. But, with my bantams. If I hatch my birds in the first part of the year(Jan., Feb., March) they will be bigger and not the best type. But,if I hatch in April and May my birds tend to be smaller and better type. Just wondering do you all think this may hold true for rollers too.
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Square
477 posts
Sep 10, 2008
10:42 AM
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Yea I can see the eagel and hummingbird thing,,, but who will take the program easyer?? when it comes to making them roll..I know this is the challenge,, I like the humming bird because it could roll faster possibly,, however Cutting the feed might reck the little fella,, Now if I can widdle that eagle down,,, watch out...LOL
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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Spin City USA
90 posts
Sep 10, 2008
11:05 AM
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Hey Square, How are you doing? I told my wife that I met you at Visalia and told her your story and how you got into the fire fighting. She thought it was inspiring. As to the size aspect of the rollers, I think it has something form follows function. It also has something to do with moving mass,the small apple bodied bird that has its mass near its center of gravity, once it gets moving the speed can be maintained easier. If the mass is moved away it will take longer for it to start moving and takes more strength to get started. Awhile back there was a thread about keels,length,and placement,it all ties into the whole picture. I have seen big birds that can spin fast, really fast, but a small bird will always look faster,so the illusion is part of our perception. I try not to worry about it too much cause if they are spinning right and balanced its all good. It's still a mental condition we are trying to control, the right kind of body makes easier.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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Square
480 posts
Sep 10, 2008
11:43 AM
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Thanx Spin City, Yea i agree, there is so much more to this roller thing than I thought... LOL.. intersting how it all comes into play... with the shape and various sizes of rollers...If you are ever in the Bakersfild area give me a call or somthin...
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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J_Star
1750 posts
Sep 10, 2008
1:18 PM
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Inbreeding will make your birds become smaller in size no matter how big the original parents are.
Jay
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Square
481 posts
Sep 10, 2008
2:11 PM
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right on J I have noticed than in another family ive been working on...
Square..
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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sippi
540 posts
Sep 10, 2008
4:45 PM
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Anthony hit on a good point also. Late hatch as a rule will be smaller than the birds hatched in the spring. The moult, plus wear and tear on the parents makes them not feed as well later in the year.
sippi
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Mount Airy Lofts
778 posts
Sep 11, 2008
2:14 AM
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Wouldn't know one if I saw one. All the birds I get from my family are BIG compare to others in my area.
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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norlan hollingate
771 posts
Sep 11, 2008
2:20 PM
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ok val
i agree with u size does not matter
reading all those good post its the thrust
n val i got told u were only a young fella???
its norman n lana thus norlan
cheers m8
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Roll Down
33 posts
Sep 15, 2008
9:57 AM
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Question:
If you take a golf ball and a basketball and put them side by side and roll them across the floor,count the number of revolutions that each one makes in 10 feet.
The golf ball ( or smaller roller ) will turn over many more times and be much more tighter and faster than the bigger one.
So when someone with a larger bird that rolls say, 10 feet, and someone with a smaller bird rolls the same distance, which one do you think is the tighter faster roller?
As for the smaller birds not being as good in heavy winds??? --- In my experience, simply not true, sorry.
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