JW
3 posts
Sep 17, 2008
11:58 AM
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Hey Everyone got a Question There are so many Strains of Rollers how do you Determine which Strain to go with and do you go with 1 or more Thanks Jim.in Ark
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katyroller
269 posts
Sep 17, 2008
4:27 PM
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Jim,
Contactall the breeders you can and ask about the characteristics of their families. Listen to experiences other flyers are having with the different families. Determine what you are looking for in a family of birds. Some develop earlier than others and some are more difficult to feed properly. Once you find something that fits your needs and abilities, you can pick up young birds or purchase breeding age stock. Whatever you do stay in contact with the breeder and ask questions especially if you are having issues. Good Luck! :)
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Santandercol
3061 posts
Sep 17, 2008
10:01 PM
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If you have more than one strain,fly them seperately.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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gotspin7
1826 posts
Sep 18, 2008
4:47 AM
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Jim, I would recomend that you seek people that actually fly birds and not just talk about flying birds. I got burned a long time ago by listening to guy that had the original stuff that never flew his stock because of all the reasons you can think of. Good luck
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Sal Ortiz
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PR_rollers
1597 posts
Sep 18, 2008
5:44 AM
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Sal, I'm with you on that anybody will tell you anything you wanna hear.My advise is to go see as many kits in the air as you can and see what you like and see it again and again because on different days you see different actions and then ask ? how does he pick his breeders ,how does he pick his stock.how they fed.are they medicated birds.they got ppl that love to medicate man if he sneeze boom medicated, green stool medicated,flew low medicated..farted medicated..be patient take your time.
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Ralph
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3757
926 posts
Sep 18, 2008
6:13 AM
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Jim - There is no real easy answer as you have to go to someone you trust. I have a good friend who went to a guy in California who is very well known and got burned also. If you cannot trust the individual his or hers morals will flow into every aspect of their lives. It is the same character trait. You need to know what you want and desire for your particular goals and go to someone that can meet those expectations. Remember, be patient and use you own observations and not other peoples opinions.
Also, what Kel said is so true. You should fly strains separately to really get a good reading on them. Good luck!
Last Edited by on Sep 18, 2008 6:13 AM
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fhtfire
1525 posts
Sep 18, 2008
4:45 PM
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Who got burned in California by a well known flier....I cant see that happening....if a flyer is well known..usually they are well known as a crook or not. You do not have to mention names but I would love to here what happend. Sometimes these stories will help other new fanciers.
One must really be careful too...because some guys will get birds from a well known flier and then not be able to handle them...instead of excepting that the strain is not for you...all of a sudden it is the sellers fault. Never blame the seller if you cant get the birds to fly the way you want....blame yourself...or blame the fact that they dont work for you. Now you for sure Blame the seller if they say you are getting certain band numbers and you do not...or they are just culls.
If you are buying a round of squeeks from somebody who is well known...remember you are getting the genes...that is it..they are UNPROVEN BIRDS IN THE AIR unless you fly them out. Squeeks are an easy way to get started. You can breed from them and pick the best offspring or fly them out and pick the best.
You buy a kit bird that is flown out and rolls top notch..does not mean it will produce. You buy a PROVEN pair of breeders you will pay the price for proven....and proven means that they will produce....when paired together....a Proven stock bird means that it has produced on many hens or many cocks...etc.
99% of the time...the top fliers or breeders will not make promises and they do not let crap out of there backyard...why...because they dont want a bird from there loft that is inferior getting into the mainstream...
Anyway....Try some Ruby Rollers...that is a good bet.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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fhtfire
1526 posts
Sep 18, 2008
4:48 PM
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Kel is right...fly them seprate....once you weed down some strains.....start flying them together...to see if they fly well as a team...you may have two strains that fly well within there own strain..but if you put them with other stains flying well...you could have some teamwork issues....unless you have alot of room and alot of kit boxes....it is hard to fly two good families that are on each side of the spectrum as far as feeding and flying..
TRY IT ALL....Read my article STARTING OUT>....
rock and ROLL
Paul
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PR_rollers
1606 posts
Sep 18, 2008
6:01 PM
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Paul he didn't say well known flyer he said well known.i got shitty birds many years back from someone who was well known but not a well known flyer .that was my mistake i should had ask if he was still flying ..It was all about pedigree and since he was a close friend to Pensom and i was just starting out I believe everything that was said to me and it wasn't cause i didn't know how to handle his birds i went by his instructions but i found out now that i wasn't the only one...Scott knows who this fellow is I won't mention names.
but now everybody knows somebody so its hard to get taken if you look around hard enough listen...now I can't see that this guy that Laron mention went to the guys house and still got burn I mean didn't you see his birds fly..or did you take his word for it.but still I want to see the bids fly I'm here might as well.am I right,,.
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Sep 18, 2008 6:03 PM
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3757
928 posts
Sep 18, 2008
6:07 PM
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PR - Thanks. It sometimes makes me chuckle at how misinterpretations are started and that was a perfect example of how misinterpretation starts. Trust is the most important factor. I will use a racing homer story about myself and a guy who was a famous flyer and also famous but he was a crook and that happened to me when I started with homers years back! They are in all walks of life and a famous flyer does not make him or her exempt.
Last Edited by on Sep 18, 2008 6:11 PM
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katyroller
273 posts
Sep 18, 2008
11:53 PM
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If you are starting with a new family and having issues, make sure you talk to the breeder you got them from. We all breed our birds to suit our needs and tastes which is why if you breed several generations of any family, they become your family. There are many factors that can affect the way birds perform so you have to be careful when picking out the culls. I gave a old mated pair to a friend and he could not get the pair to mate for him. He wanted to trade them out until we realizied he was trying to breed in individual pens and that the pair had always bred open loft.
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J_Star
1756 posts
Sep 19, 2008
6:01 AM
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I agree with you 3757.
Jay
Last Edited by on Sep 19, 2008 6:02 AM
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3757
929 posts
Sep 19, 2008
7:00 AM
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Thanks Jay!
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fhtfire
1527 posts
Sep 19, 2008
8:56 AM
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I understood what you said....WELL KNOWN...it what I was talking about...flier does not mean anything...just because somebody is not a flier(comp) does not mean he or she does not have good birds....The Well Known is what I was talking about.....I mean...Scott Campbell could quit flying and that does not mean his birds all of a sudden suck...Hell Joe Urbon has quit flying...(for now)...he still has the same birds.
I did not misunderstand what you said...I wanted to know what well known flier would do such a thing..or should I say fancier to emliminate confusion.....flier, fancier, loft manager, non flier, backyard flier....does not matter...I was keying in on the well known..
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
1759 posts
Sep 19, 2008
10:38 AM
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Paul, there are well known flyers and there are well known flyers. Some people don't consider their word honorable while others do. People will always be people and they come from all kind of walks of life. It is the buyer’s responsibility to always be ware before dishing out their hard earned money. And if they do, then they need to accept their responsibility to the breed and the breeder.
It is also true that the new owner of good birds might ruin the birds due to their lack of knowledge and appreciation of what they have. As most people do, they choose to point fingers for failure to somebody else instead of taking responsibility for their own inaction. But most new people want an instant success in this hobby.
Jay
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3757
930 posts
Sep 19, 2008
11:28 AM
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Jay - That was well said!
It really does not matter who it was the point is we have good and bad apples in this sport! My friend got burned badly and yes the guy is a well known individual!!!!
Last Edited by on Sep 19, 2008 11:30 AM
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