black_hawk_down
139 posts
Sep 19, 2008
6:08 PM
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i have a unflown kit of this year's late hatches. what do you guys do with late kits? try flying them through winter? Don’t really want to jeopardize some possible good stock. if they arent flown out would the performance of these little guys deteriorate if they are flown the upcoming year?-joe v.
Last Edited by on Sep 19, 2008 6:13 PM
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quickspin
849 posts
Sep 19, 2008
7:12 PM
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I did this last year so I can tell you.
I bred 35 birds last year around July and I started to get hit by the end of July I had to lock them down so I would not loose them.
I started to fly them again around April, 30 of them I cull because they would not kit at all. They acted like they were still young birds because they never learn to kit. It took more time to teach them how to kit than to breed a new kit and train them.
So is your choice if you have the time to train them. As for me I will fly them in till they kit good before I lock them down. It takes me 2 weeks for a new kit to train to kit so it's not wort it for me.
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SALAS LOFT
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George R.
1014 posts
Sep 19, 2008
7:13 PM
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I fly right thru winter ...
good Luck with them.
When I lived in Los Angeles area I locked down for the Winter.. never bred late in the season becuase of the BOP's
The novice
George
Last Edited by on Sep 19, 2008 7:14 PM
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George R.
1015 posts
Sep 19, 2008
7:14 PM
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Hey Rolondo can you Call me at 702-238-2640
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PR_rollers
1614 posts
Sep 19, 2008
8:12 PM
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Quick couldn't say it any better.. rolling action won't deteriorate if its in them it will soon come out,,but the kitting you will have problems with.. the training of young birds to fly together at an early age is very important.so take heed from quick..good post..
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Ralph
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juanrollers
102 posts
Sep 19, 2008
9:24 PM
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I agree with Quickspin I experienced the same thing. If theres any you really like and have seen their siblings turn out great you might want to keep those. It's really easier to train a young team not to mention if they fly for the first time ever at 6 mos old you are going to lose alot of them. Good luck...
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Square
491 posts
Sep 22, 2008
5:05 PM
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I have been in this position in the past... The more you can getum on the wing before lock down the better... I would usally let them out 5 at a time on a really broken scedual,, didnt really care what they were doing, just as long as there were 5 when they came back... after doing this it wasnt that hard to whipthem into shape in april... Good luck..
Square
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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bigwilly
620 posts
Sep 22, 2008
10:54 PM
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Hey Black Hawk, that is a good question. I was woundering the same thing. I know when I was talking to Norm Reed, he believed that it ruins them when you dont fly them.
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BIG WILLY
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jt smash
38 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:17 AM
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I think A good roller is going to roll no matter how long they have been locked down. Now that will be a true roller. Any opinions
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gotspin7
1836 posts
Sep 23, 2008
4:47 AM
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Blackhawkdown, I would hold them and I would also separate the hens and cocks, once you start flying again try to fly them twice a day the good ones should start kitting in no time, once they start kitting go back to your usual routine. Good luck
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Sal Ortiz
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sippi
562 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:52 AM
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I am into the middle of a similar problem. I have two kits that were not flown until four or five months old. They dont kit at all and I am wondering if they will ever kit. I will keep the thread up as to the progress. I am one week into flying them out now. When released they all fly and are starting to roll but look like a swarm of bees. They dont even all circle the same direction. I wouldnt lock down until they were at least kitting.
Sippi
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maxspin
268 posts
Sep 23, 2008
10:26 AM
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I am in the same boat.
I banded 73 birds this year. I am down to 33 survivors. I have locked down 20, but the 13 left in the latest hatch box are still not kitting.
I will continue to try to fly the 13 out to the point where I can lock them up.
The family that I am currently working with is very slow to start kitting. I may have to reconsider the direction that I am going in.
Keith
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creeksidelofts
30 posts
Sep 23, 2008
9:04 PM
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I have flown kits that were not turned out until older and most take longer to kit but they finally do.I have two late kits that I'm starting now and the BOP hit every morning.I started one kit late afternoon sunday and four stayed out over nite.The next morning the BOP was after one of my Horner birds.I came home from work and all four were in the kit box.We had a get together in our club and flew some of our birds and the BOP tried then also.Its hard to get a late kit fling and not get them killed.Tony
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Flipmode
214 posts
Sep 23, 2008
9:12 PM
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If they are not spinning at least 10 feet, they gotta fly through the hawk season. If the bird isn't rolling yet why should it be locked down and held over? I say fly em hard.
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 9:12 PM
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Flipmode
217 posts
Sep 24, 2008
7:35 AM
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Hey Kel im just speaking from experience. I have locked down young birds before that wasn't rolling yet. And guess what? After sitting in a cage for 6 months and then trying to fly them again as older birds was not only a big headache but only 1 bird developed his roll right. The rest all ended up being culls. It was a waste of time, feed oh yeah and BIRDS! So now a young bird has to at least be spinning his 10' to get locked down or its a waste of time. I say fly em hard!
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Flipmode
218 posts
Sep 24, 2008
7:47 AM
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Hey Kel same here, June is it! But for those that do breed em late im just saying that its a haedache trying to get em to kit and roll as older birds....
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Newbie 08
34 posts
Sep 25, 2008
11:31 AM
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not really hip to these Hawks and Falcons got my first attack a couple of days ago and I freaked. Lucky he missed this time. I'm in northern Ca between Vallejo and Sacramento. Is there anyone here in my area that can advise me far as when should I lock my birds down until it's safe to fly again? I hear don't fly in winter yet I'm hearing Bop start coming around in Late Sept? I have two more young Ruby's I just settled that I would like to get up in the air and train to kit with the rest of my kits before I lock them down for good. I have 20 kit birds I fly in 3 kits 7 per kit C,B,A C being my youngest but rolling B being my next best birds and A being my best rollers I always fly last. I have yet starting any breeding and are not allowing them to mate up as of yet until I decide which are going to be my foundation hens and cocks to establish 3 pairs. Hope someone that's familar with my area can give me some information on these preditor and the do's and don't when flying my kits at certain times of the year.
Thanks
Butch Stafford
Last Edited by on Sep 25, 2008 11:33 AM
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