roll1
23 posts
Sep 19, 2008
10:58 PM
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CAN SOMEONE POST A PICTURE OF THIER BEST WHITE ROLLER
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elopez
1702 posts
Sep 19, 2008
11:11 PM
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I would but the cooper ate it...
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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Hector Coya
247 posts
Sep 20, 2008
6:26 AM
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PR_rollers
1618 posts
Sep 20, 2008
6:51 AM
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Now thats class..is that a Bob Scott bird Hector..
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Ralph
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Dave Szab
188 posts
Sep 20, 2008
7:12 AM
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Cliff Ball bought it and killed it.
Dave Szabatura
LOL
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Hector Coya
248 posts
Sep 20, 2008
7:41 AM
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Hey Ralph
No thats not a Bob Scott bird,that goes back to the Platz stuff.Beleave it or not that bird has produced many fast deep rollers,i dont particuly like it,its too big but the young can spinn.
Hector Coya=SGVS
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dndrollers
35 posts
Sep 20, 2008
7:44 AM
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Are you going to donate it to the Show Hector?
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PR_rollers
1620 posts
Sep 20, 2008
8:45 AM
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Hector that bird in this picture looks small typy.wow and you said its too big.now the one Dave posted to me that looks big.pictures are deceiving..would you say..
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Ralph
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fresnobirdman
61 posts
Sep 20, 2008
9:22 AM
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dang!
anybody got a good white roller for sale?
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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Hector Coya
249 posts
Sep 20, 2008
10:21 AM
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No i will not donate that one to the show,i can donate one off that bird that is doing about 30ft fast.but will anyone be interested in a white/ I dont know .
Hector Coya-SGVS
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SSLOFTS
132 posts
Sep 20, 2008
10:50 AM
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Look close and you can see what's left of him!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding it was a dove.
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kopetsa
1576 posts
Sep 20, 2008
11:08 AM
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&#$* I hate those ^%@$ things!!!!!!!!!1 >:
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Andrew
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SSLOFTS
133 posts
Sep 20, 2008
11:27 AM
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Easy Andrew!!! and why do you hate doves so much? LOL!!!
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Steve_uk
903 posts
Sep 20, 2008
1:26 PM
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Thats a beautiful hawk bro!
Ste...
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PR_rollers
1621 posts
Sep 20, 2008
2:04 PM
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Andrew now go wash your mouth with soap..P)
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Ralph
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-mannyfresh- spins
49 posts
Sep 21, 2008
9:36 AM
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im interested in white rollers..lol..have 2 myself n 1 is a real good roller...pretty deep...but since im still a newbie,I can't really judge the distance it rolls...but I can asure u it can roll...
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-mannyfresh- spins
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 3:04 PM
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ICEMAN710
532 posts
Sep 22, 2008
12:53 AM
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my dad had a sub family of white rollers, actually they were double grizzle (bull eyed whites), they sure were bullets in the air. anyways nice looking white self Hector, looked like a platz bird.
Hey Dave, I remember you donated that one to the auction along with his daughter. Was a good 40 footer and good producer if I recall correctly. I wanted to bid on that pair bad but the funds said told me no at the time. What do you mean cliff killed it? It would have flourished and done much justice in my loft I tell you! Still an Amazing looking bird Dave.
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Gary
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Dave Szab
189 posts
Sep 22, 2008
4:43 AM
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Thanks Gary,
All I know is that Cliff told me that a few days after he came up to pick up the birds from me, he found both of them dead in his kit box. It was the strangest thing I ever heard of, those birds were extremely healthy when Cliff picked them up, and he said that he didn't lose any other birds. It's a mystery, I never heard of anything that would kill 2 healthy old birds like that, so quickly, and at the same time.
Dave
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Otis
154 posts
Sep 22, 2008
6:34 AM
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Hey Dave, Damn shame! I could have used that bird in my loft!
Birds like that don't come along every day! Otis
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Ballrollers
1493 posts
Sep 22, 2008
8:06 AM
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Gee thanks, Dave, for framing it up that way, buddy........
Man, I hated to lose that bird. I drove all the way to New York to pick up the pair; didn't want to take the chance of shipping them. The two old birds died within 2-3 days in the quarantine kitbox. The old cock never even showed any signs. The hen was fluffed up for about 8 hours before she died. Dave had also given me a few young birds to fly out and they all did fine; no sign of any illness. No other birds in my lofts were ill at the time. I use a lot of supplements and preventives, treat routinely for Coccidiosis and Canker, diagnose problems early and rarely lose a bird in my lofts. Dave suggested that it was because he watered them out of open containers and I used founts. It's hard to believe that mature pigeons would be dumb enough to starve themselves to death for water with other birds in the same box drinking their fill...but who knows. I'll never quite figure that one out. I did think it was interesting when I spoke with Mitch Reed in Oregon. Jay Yandle had temporarily housed a kit, here in the Carolinas, for Szabatura when he came down for a fly, and Jay sent them on to Mitch in Portland. Mitch told me that most of the kit became ill and died soon after they arrived. That's too much of a coincidence for me....I figure we have some sort of adenovirus or something in the Carolinas that our birds have developed immunity to, but not Dave's northern birds where the cold winters may kill out and control the virus. Who knows? But that's a risk we take when we import birds from other lofts. It's the best explanation I have come up with. I have, since, decided to avoid bringing other birds in.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 22, 2008 8:31 AM
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Dave Szab
190 posts
Sep 22, 2008
11:01 AM
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Hey Cliff,
Framing it up what way? Did I say something that wasn't true? I think I summed up exactly what you had told me. Whatever happened to those 2 birds, as I said, I've never see anything that would kill 2 healthy birds like that in such a short time.
You need to check your facts though, I never sent a kit of birds to Mitch through Jay Yandle, I don't know what you are referring to. I did pick up 2 birds from Jay that Ivan had sent to him for me. I brought those 2 birds up here and they never were sick. If any birds died at Mitch's house, I doubt it came from Jay, as you suggest, because Mitch had some sickness go through his lofts back then, that he blamed on a duck and some other birds that he had bought at some show.
As far as some adenovirus from North Carolina goes, I did send a kit of babies, and a couple old birds, to Clay Hoyle last year and he did not report any sick birds. So, as I said, it's a mystery.
Dave
Last Edited by on Sep 22, 2008 11:02 AM
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Dave Szab
191 posts
Sep 22, 2008
7:16 PM
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Cliff,
LOL is defined by everyone as "Laugh Out Loud", which is what I wrote in the picture post above, where I (here it comes, pay attention now) JOKINGLY said that you killed it.
Your character comes through everytime that you over react to posts that hit you the wrong way. Re-read my posts above without being paranoid about some hidden meaning that isn't there.
Dave
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Ballrollers
1496 posts
Sep 22, 2008
7:35 PM
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You'll just have to forgive my parnoia then, Dave. That's the trouble with these dang computers. We tend to take folks at their word. When one makes a derogatory remark like that about someone, in my book, it doesn't absolve him of the responsiblity for what is said by just posting "LOL". I guess it's that New York humor thing....you know...humor at the expense of others....And when you added, "Framing it up what way? Did I say something that wasn't true? I think I summed up exactly what you had told me," I guess I was just being paranoid again. I was thinking that you sounded like you meant what your said, again, for some odd reason. Don't take this too serious, Dave, but, for example, you know we have not explored one other possiblity of why the birds died in only two days. They may have been sick to begin with! LOL. Maybe I paid way too much for the birds and you donated sick old breeders to the auction! LOL. Now I don't really believe that, Dave, so don't go gettin' paaranoid on me. LOL. It's just fun. LOL! Right! I'm going to have to use this LOL thing more often! Thanks for the tip! (Believe me, I wasn't any happier about losing them, at the time, than you were.)
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 22, 2008 7:39 PM
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Dave Szab
192 posts
Sep 22, 2008
8:01 PM
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Cliff,
It was a JOKE, lighten up!
I did not make a derogatory remark, although you made a few.
When I post on these forums, I think of it as if we were all standing around having a conversation together. So, I throw a little jab your way and joke that you killed it. If we were all standing around together, I'd let you off the hook with a little laugh (LOL), and then explain what really happened. Which is exactly what I did in my posts. If you can't understand that, then you need to get a little thicker skin and I need to not joke around with you anymore. I joke around with my buds, and they with me. I guess I need to keep serious with you, no problem.
Dave
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RXR Loft
255 posts
Sep 22, 2008
8:53 PM
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currently I have 3 white hens from the White Heat family that I breed 2007 stock
2 have gravel eyes (white with gray)and the other has a corn eye (yellow)
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RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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PR_rollers
1642 posts
Sep 23, 2008
7:07 PM
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Rudy those whites are looking superb..nice how are they in the sky.
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Ralph
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RXR Loft
256 posts
Sep 23, 2008
8:30 PM
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Ralph thanks for asking.
these were breed from proven breeders. I have not flown these except for the corn eye one she darted out last Saturday she was out for 20 mins and came back, however I did see her pop off a few over the house. for not been flown she did well, and when I opened the breeder loft door she flew right in never landing until she was on here favorite perch.
I will be fly her young..
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RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 8:31 PM
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Andy_her
48 posts
Sep 23, 2008
10:24 PM
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RXR, you got some nice white heat.
I'll post some of my white heat I've been flying which I stock.
I got a cock that was rolling 60 footer fast.
But not alot of people like white birds so their only for show in my loft.
Hope they do good for you RXR.
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ICEMAN710
541 posts
Sep 24, 2008
4:25 AM
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Love all the whites posted.
Sorry Cliff and Dave for asking that question. It was not my intention to stir up anything between you guys. My apologies.
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Gary
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gotspin7
1837 posts
Sep 24, 2008
4:47 AM
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Nice whites Rudy!
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Sal Ortiz
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maxspin
273 posts
Sep 24, 2008
6:38 AM
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I am moving away from the grizzle in my line. Can't get them through the first year. The BOP definitely take the lightest colored birds first here.
Keith
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Santandercol
3101 posts
Sep 24, 2008
7:00 AM
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Hunh.The henery rarely attack my white homers even sitting on the wire,40 of them,the peri just fly on by.The homers are part of my BOP training program along with my ORs.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Santandercol
3102 posts
Sep 24, 2008
7:41 AM
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Nope,I have one throwback checked bird and she is one of the fastest to return from a toss.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Ballrollers
1505 posts
Sep 24, 2008
8:30 AM
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Dave,
Just for the record, I did check my facts on the birds you shipped to Mitch Reed through Jay. Yesterday, both men confirmed my recollection as accurate. All but one died. Mitch emphasized that he has since received healthy birds directly from you without any problems. I have the e-mails if you would like to see them, privately.
Cliff
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RXR Loft
259 posts
Sep 24, 2008
3:06 PM
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andy please do post your photos, I love the white birds
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RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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PR_rollers
1647 posts
Sep 24, 2008
3:16 PM
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Rudy me too they look to me like white angels up in the sky.
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Ralph
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Dave Szab
195 posts
Sep 24, 2008
7:36 PM
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Cliff,
For the record, here's what you wrote in the post above that started this:
" I did think it was interesting when I spoke with Mitch Reed in Oregon. Jay Yandle had temporarily housed a kit, here in the Carolinas, for Szabatura when he came down for a fly, and Jay sent them on to Mitch in Portland. Mitch told me that most of the kit became ill and died soon after they arrived. That's too much of a coincidence for me....I figure we have some sort of adenovirus or something in the Carolinas that our birds have developed immunity to, but not Dave's northern birds where the cold winters may kill out and control the virus. Who knows? But that's a risk we take when we import birds from other lofts. It's the best explanation I have come up with. I have, since, decided to avoid bringing other birds in.
Cliff"
You claimed that I sent a KIT of pigeons to Mitch, and that MOST of the kit died SOON after arriving. That is not true, and as I said you should have checked your facts before writing that, instead of sending an e-mail to Mitch after I called you on it.
What I sent to Mitch was THREE birds, nowhere near a kit by any definition. TWO of those birds later died from different illnesses, one had a respiratory infection, and the other succombed to the disease that Mitch had brought into his loft from a duck. Neither of them died "soon after arriving", as you had claimed. The respiratory infected bird died weeks after arrival, and the other bird died weeks after that. They did not die from some adenovirus as you claimed. Also, their demise was nothing like the scenario that occured to the 2 healthy old birds that you took home, that died at the same time, showing no sign of illness beforehand, within days of you bringing them to your place. The 3 birds that I sent Mitch were very young babies, just weaned, that you know can be susceptable to picking up an illness quickly from being run down from all the shipping around to 2 different lofts.
The bottom line is that I don't see any correalation between the 2 incidents, and as I said, check your facts first beforehand, not after being called on it.
Dave
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kopetsa
1625 posts
Sep 24, 2008
8:04 PM
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lol SS and Ralph..
Dave Szab were you kidding when you said Cliff Ball bought that birds and then killed it? lol i'm not sure.......
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Andrew
Last Edited by on Sep 24, 2008 8:06 PM
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Ballrollers
1511 posts
Sep 25, 2008
9:55 AM
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Geesh, Dave......PARDON ME! The whole issue was that you sent birds through Jay to MItch and some died after their stay in the Carolinas. I was drawing a similar correlation to my incident with your birds. To deny it based strictly on the technicality of the number of birds is illogical. You ought to be in politics.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 25, 2008 9:56 AM
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Alohazona
451 posts
Sep 25, 2008
10:02 AM
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Dave,STRESS,will put the healthiest of birds down.Shipping,new enviorment,new climate,break in the routine.
Dave,the fish was fryed in oil because it opened it's mouth.In hindsight,I'm sure if you were in Cliff's shoes ,you would not want to be on the recieving end of that comment.Beneath our hardshell exteriors,we are all soft and mushy when it comes to our rollers.That would of not been a well recieved comment in an intimate setting,let alone on a national forum.
It's a shame about that white bird,I was bidding on it as well....Aloha,Todd
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Andy_her
50 posts
Sep 25, 2008
9:43 PM
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RXR, here is my white heat buddie
 
These two are sister.
The first one roller at three month about 50 footer.
The second sister just came in a week ago doing 30 fast.
Here is the male that was rolling 60 footer.
This is the sister to the cock above. Doing 30 to 40.
Last Edited by on Sep 25, 2008 9:47 PM
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rollingline33
133 posts
Sep 25, 2008
10:11 PM
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ANDY HER!! THOSE ARE THE NICES WHITES I SEEN HERE!!! GOOD JOB!! WHATT FAMILY ARE THEY AND ARE THEY HOT AND HOW HOT?
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rollingline33
134 posts
Sep 25, 2008
10:15 PM
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DAVE SZAB!! the white bird you guys are talking about!! wer the parents both white? i must say that bird lookd gooood!! not like the rest of the white rollers we see all the time that look like doves!! your bird had the shape and type!! give me the email of the store to get a few!!
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