fhtfire
1530 posts
Sep 20, 2008
8:22 PM
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Hey all,
I just finished the first day of Region 9C....So far Mike Allen is in 1st, Ronnie Ross 2nd and Mike Wolden 3rd...and I will get the rest tomorrow...Ramsey flies tomorrow and two other fliers...I will make a list of the scores...but the top three are separated by 3-4 points.....Mike lost about 30 or so raw points because of outbirds.....Ronnie had some low flying birds that got pushed away....but still kept working...and Mike had to fly his young bird team due to BOP ripping him apart...so He kept his A-team on lockdown...I will give a full report tomorrow....
We flew in Vacaville, Fairfield, Richmond, Oakland, and the San Jose area....
rock and ROLL
Paul
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SiDLoVE
302 posts
Sep 23, 2008
11:07 AM
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who qualified Paul?
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BA Rollers
63 posts
Sep 23, 2008
12:46 PM
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Not to be a stinky bug, but those three names are not on the nbrc membership list so technically their scores do not count? Correct Cliff? You RDs better be hot on this membership stuff. I remember several people last year who qualified for the finals but got booted after it was discovered they hadn't paid their NBRC dues. Any regions that have flown had better run their list of flyers against the membership list. Just and FYI boys.
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fhtfire
1533 posts
Sep 23, 2008
1:28 PM
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Hey guess what...I am not on the membership list either...lol....I just paid again yesterday and i was a month overdue....so just because a name is not on the membership list does not mean that they did not pay. Some people also do not want to be on the published membership list....
ANYWAY.....Ramsey took 1st with 216pts....then Mike Allen and down the list.
The RD's know the rules and make sure that they are paid up....they can even pay the day before they fly.
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 1:30 PM
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BA Rollers
64 posts
Sep 23, 2008
1:36 PM
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They can pay the day before, but can they pay the day after they have already flown???? Just curious. I'm sure Cliff is requesting a current membership list to compare with names of flyers that come in.
And even your winner isn't on the published list. Lets hope he's on the non-published one. :)
Last Edited by on Sep 23, 2008 1:37 PM
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kcfirl
489 posts
Sep 23, 2008
2:14 PM
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Paul,
the RD's don;t always know the rules although I agree it is the regions RD's responsibility, not the poor judges!
Firl
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turkey buzzard
75 posts
Sep 24, 2008
10:41 AM
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The way I read the entry form, is that it states you must be a current member of the NBRC to enter and not just fly. How can an RD verify the day before you fly if a member is a member. Cliff wants to tackle changes, let him tackle this one!!!!!!!!!!!
Last Edited by on Sep 24, 2008 10:42 AM
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Ballrollers
1506 posts
Sep 24, 2008
12:07 PM
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Turkey Buzzard,
I believe the NBRC Sec-Treas can tell any RD whether or not a certain member is in good standing. All that must be done is for the RD to ask. The NBRC tries to stay out of meddling in the region's conduct of its regional fly. I also happen to believe it is up to the RD's to verify the membership status if a question arises. Here again, we operate with few restraints other than the honor system. The Flyers and RDs need to know and follow all rules that apply to the flyer qualifications and all the fly rules that pertain to the actual fly Every NBRC member gets the NBRC bulletin. On the bulletin is an address sticker with the members dues expiration date. Every member should know if his dues are paid up prior to entering the Fly. It is up to each member to keep his head in the game and know these details. But we both know that sometimes there is an oversight by a flyer not getting his dues in and an RD not checking.
Cliff
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BA Rollers
65 posts
Sep 24, 2008
12:14 PM
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So what happens to the regions that have already flown and have flyers, possibly even some qualifiers, who are not NBRC members in good standing (paid member)? I say this because in the past two years, a qualifier from the same region was told he couldn't fly the final because it was discovered he wasn't an nbrc member. The flyer(s) in both cases, were erased from score sheet, and in one case I think it was, it actually changed the number of qualifiers the region had. RDs need to be on their toes on this because you will be pretty pissed when the membership police come knocking and point out that a qualifier wasn't a member, and after further review, discovered some of your flyers weren't members and therefore, one of your qualifiers is now ineligible for the finals. I know the heartache of this from the past two years. I have a feeling it is going to repeat itself because nothing was said to the RD's to remind them to be viligent to the fly rules.
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Ballrollers
1508 posts
Sep 24, 2008
1:30 PM
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BA,
If anyone has proof that a flyer was not a member when he flew, send it to the appropriate RD so that RD can bring it to the EC for discussion and review. I have seen a flyer or the RD pay the necessary dues as the judge is starting to fill out the score sheet. How do we confirm or deny that transaction? These rules are not to keep dishonest men honest, they are to encourage honest men to stay that way. Each one of us is responsible for his own actions and no one else's. We all must work together, respect each other and respect the rules or we are in trouble. The Regions are the building blocks that form the NBRC. The NBRC expects the regions to take care to see the rules are followed and all men are treated fairly. The NBRC is not the first line of enforcement, the region is. The NBRC will never be able to settle the regional squabbles that pop up. Every region is run differently, is a different size and has different needs. If men can't get along together within a region, how are we to form a strong national club?
Cliff
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BA Rollers
66 posts
Sep 24, 2008
1:48 PM
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So, let me get this straight. This is how I interpret what you said...."not my job". Is that basically it? You are saying it is the RDs job to police the flyers, and should he choose not to, then you are fine with that too? Maybe that isn't what you are saying, but that is exactly how I read your response. Get a list from Bob and compare it to the list of flyers and qualifiers submitted. Easy. I told my RD to take his list and go to the site and plug every name in just to be sure so we don't end up with a few flyers who's scores don't count, nor do their kits toward the qualifiers. Somehow I seriously doubt that some RDs checked, will check, or will even report an issue with it. He has to deal with the reprocussions there. You should be the one to play bad guy...lol.
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fhtfire
1539 posts
Sep 24, 2008
5:29 PM
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Here you go...for example....I sent an email to all the fliers reminding them that they need to be NBRC members...I had one flier call back and said he was not signed up and then i personally signed him up with pay pal and he owes me 26 bucks...another flier contacted me and said he was past due but would get a check in the mail....now I feel there is nothing wrong with a flier handing me a check on the day of the fly before he opens the door....and I will send it off for him or pay on pay pal if he does not that evening....as an RD that is fine with me...as long as money is in hand to me...I know that it will get done.
As far as calling for lists and on and on...if I feel there is a problem then I will do it....All I am going to do is ask my fliers and take there word for it....What if a check is in the mail....you will not be on the list...what if they have not checked the pay pal account....what if the bank did not post out of your checking for 5 days...pay pal does it that way too....I think it is up to the RD's to remind the fliers that they are paid up. So far everyone is paid up or in the process.
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Sep 24, 2008 5:31 PM
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Ballrollers
1509 posts
Sep 25, 2008
8:57 AM
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BA,
If the Regional Director is not doing his job and no one else steps up, then the NBRC president will appoint someone to do it. I am not all right with anyone not following the rules. From what you just said, sounds to me you may have the tools to be a Regional Director! But it is a tad more complicated than mere enforcement. It is a whole lot easier to lead by example than push others where they don't want to go. It takes understanding and compromise to maintain stability in a region where men's egos are the size of Alaska. If an RD alerts me of a problem, or a judge, I will handle it or submit it to the EC for a review, especially, if it is complicated. I can help the RD to look at all the options and see if that will solve their regional problem. Yes, I am the bad guy at times. I expect the men to know the rules. I expect the men to be honest in their dealings with club members. I expect men to enjoy this hobby/fancy. Maybe I expect too much.....
Cliff
Last Edited by on Sep 25, 2008 8:58 AM
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