whitewings
3 posts
Sep 26, 2008
11:01 AM
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Thought some of you might like to know that a cardboard box full of banded roller pigeons were left to die on the side of the road. They were thrown out with all the trash that is dumped there on a quiet road. The location was Poplar Hill Road in Pelham NH That location borders Dracut MA, Methuen MA and Salem NH. The police called me because we are known here in town as the "pigeon" people. We have racers and rollers and they always call us if they find banded birds. I have to say that it made me sick when I arrived at the scene. There was 22 birds, 2 were dead and the rest are complete skin and bones. I have no idea how long ago they were dumped. It was pouring rain out so we were able to catch them. Most were too weak to run anyway. Even in their condition, they are nice looking birds. Various colors-solid black, black white flight, grizzel, reds, etc. I guess they were unwanted by their owner but I just can't see leaving them for a slow death in a box. Why would someone do that? I have them here at my loft in a pen I have for sick or found birds. Not the ideal setup for 20 birds but it is better than where they were. 18 were banded, 2 not banded. Here are the band numbers:
FLRC 2005 530
FLRC 2005 525
FLRC 2005 501
FLRC 2005 532
FLRC 2005 531
FLRC 2004 369
FLRC 2004 329
FLRC 2004 408 BAND #2 JOHN 585 335 8515
FLRC 2004 404 BAND #2 JOHN 585 335 8515
FLRC 2003 0209
FLRC 2003 0276
NBRC 2002 U0964
NBRC 2002 U0966
NBRC 2002 U0950
BPNPA 96 917 OLD METAL BAND
DHS ROLLERS 2005 520 585 7421 1115
Last Edited by on Sep 26, 2008 11:03 AM
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kopetsa
1659 posts
Sep 26, 2008
11:10 AM
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That makes me just sick why some people would that! Good for you for housing them! :) Good luck with them!
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Andrew
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glenn
166 posts
Sep 26, 2008
11:26 AM
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I think 585 is a area code for somewhere in New York and FLRC maybe the Finger Lakes Roller Club....Glenn
Last Edited by on Sep 26, 2008 11:29 AM
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PR_rollers
1657 posts
Sep 26, 2008
11:35 AM
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Now that is as cruel as anyone can be..for who ever did this I hope you fall in a manhole and you starve slowly for days and it will make you think what those pigeons went through it ain't an easy death..
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Ralph
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kopetsa
1660 posts
Sep 26, 2008
12:08 PM
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I couldn't agree with Ralph more!
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Andrew
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kopetsa
1661 posts
Sep 26, 2008
12:09 PM
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Can they not see who those bands are registered under and charge them with animal cruelty acts?
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Andrew
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whitewings
4 posts
Sep 26, 2008
12:24 PM
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Thanks for all of your help and support. No Andrew, the police said you have to have some kind of proof. All they have to say is that someone stole them from them. I did call and leave a voice mail with the 2 bands that have phone numbers. It is a NY area code so I doubt they drove from NY to NH to dump unwanted birds. They probably sold or gave them to someone here in NH or MA.
Last Edited by on Sep 26, 2008 12:25 PM
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PR_rollers
1658 posts
Sep 26, 2008
1:04 PM
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Exactly and it could be that who ever they belong to now had them stolen from them too .so there is really no pointing finger at no one ,he who did it knows who he is ..----------
Ralph
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kcfirl
496 posts
Sep 26, 2008
1:26 PM
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List,
I typed in the phone number into Yahoo search and came up with this:
Candace Wetherbee MCNINCH RD
DANSVILLE, NY 14437 585-335-8515
John Wetherbee MCNINCH RD
DANSVILLE, NY 14437 585-335-8515
Interestingly enough this guy's name is John - the same first name and phne number that is on the bands.
Looking at the map, it would not be too much of a stretch for a guy to load the pigeons in a box amongst other boxes of garbage and have them end up where you found them.
Regards,
Ken
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Otis
156 posts
Sep 26, 2008
1:59 PM
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Whitewings, It's me the guy you and your husband brought the lost roller to a few months ago!
First off, I am disgusted to my core and will name the dirty, sick, bastard that did this at the end of this string.
I rode with this creep from Mass/NH to Upstate NY to pick up over 75 birds that belonged to a farmer in upstate that had recently passed away due to a farm accident(John Weathersbee). These birds were to be split between this jerk and myself....they are Dave Szabatura and Ron Kumro birds given to us directly from Dave. When we got back he only wanted to let me have one yearling kit and no breeders. I helped him settle, train and win our region with the holdovers that we picked up. He still wouldn't share the breeders with me as I refused to help him after that. He left our club and disappeared after that. I am disgusted and pissed! Lesson learned! It's ok to help a newbie, but take a long look at their character before you share birds with them! His name is (Moderated: RH) and he lives in (Moderated), NH.
Karen please call me, I will take them off your hands and see if I can revive some of them. They are parents, brothers and sisters to my birds! This sick jerk would do something like, this based on me stopping him from releasing birds he didn't want into the wild before! Dave will be here next weekend to Judge our region! Thanks and I'm sorry people like this exist. Otis
Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2008 9:47 PM
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Oldfart
822 posts
Sep 26, 2008
4:26 PM
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Karma, I hope he reaps his just due. I would gladly donate the box.
thom
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-mannyfresh- spins
57 posts
Sep 26, 2008
6:38 PM
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omg...I jus finished readin dis post...n am left speechless...I can't believe ppl like dis exist..wat makes me mad is dat there r so many ppl that want birds n creeps like this get good birds n jus toss them...indispicable....well good luck wit the birds..hopefully they get all better...n fly dem asap n lets us kno how they do...
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Dave Szab
196 posts
Sep 26, 2008
6:55 PM
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This disgusts me beyond belief.
As Mark Lewis reported above, a good friend of mine, John Wetherbee, died in a tragic farm truck accident. I was mentoring John for a couple years, as he wanted to work with my birds. After John's death, his wife asked me to come and pick up the birds and find a good home for them. These were all good quality birds out of my best pairs, and also birds that John had bred out of them. My good friend Mark Lewis had asked me for some birds earlier in the year because he wanted to switch over to my birds in his loft. This (Moderated RH) also wanted some of my birds, and he lived very close to Mark. I told Mark and Russ that if they drove out to meet me half way, I would bring these birds to them to SHARE. Since Mark is a good friend of mine, I wanted him to have a couple particular birds from the lot that were special to me. When the 3 of us met, I made clear to (Moderated: R) that these couple particular birds were for Mark, and the rest they could split up any way that they wish, as long as they shared the birds back and forth and worked the birds together. Mark tried working with this (Moderated: RH), but he started showing his true colors, and when I found out that the couple birds that I wanted Mark to have, were being kept at (Moderated: R) house, I called (Moderated: R) numerous times, described the birds and their bands, and he insisted that he did not have those particular birds. He then preceded to not allow Mark at his lofts. Then the surprise came when I showed up at (Moderated: R) house for one of their flys, when he did not know that I was coming. I noticed one of the birds in his loft that was suppose to go to Mark, that he swore he did not have. I then took (Moderated: R) aside, informed him that the bird that he claimed he did not have, was sitting there on his perch, and that I wanted him to give that bird back to Mark. He said that bird is going no where, so I told him that he either would give that bird back to Mark, or I would be through with him from this point on. I can not stand bold face liars. He told me he would not, so we all left his house, never to return.
Mark would remember better than I, but I think this happened about a year and a half ago, and none of us have heard from him since.
Those bands numbers listed above are all birds that were in (Moderated: R) possesion. I can think of no reason that these birds would be left in a card board box by the side of the road, unless (Moderated: R) put them there on purpose. (Moderated: R) had bred many babies off of those birds, but none of those birds were in the box, only birds that he received from Mark and I, from the late John Wetherbee.
This man (Moderated: R) purports to be a religious man, yet he would do something like this? Never would I have ever believed that anyone that raised pigeons, could ever do such a thing. I hope the authorities fine him, and throw the book at him. I am furious, and deeply saddened that these birds would be treated in this manner.
Dave Szabatura
Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2008 7:06 PM
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tomas'commerce,ca.
7 posts
Sep 26, 2008
7:14 PM
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a person like that has no buisness being around pigieons or any other animal. Tom
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Otis
158 posts
Sep 26, 2008
9:56 PM
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Whitewings, I lost your phone No. I will come over saturday to get the birds. Thanks again! I have the pedigrees and breeding records of those birds that I will bring with me. I will also bring the address and phone number of that asshole to give to the animal abuse authorities to start prosecution procedures. I'm not finished with him yet!
p.s. Dave, Congratulations on a nice score!
Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2008 9:51 PM
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fresnobirdman
83 posts
Sep 27, 2008
12:07 AM
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man!!!
people like that dont deserve to have rollers...
what a shame...
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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whitewings
5 posts
Sep 27, 2008
6:12 AM
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Hi Mark,
I am glad you responded! It's funny because yesterday when we got the birds we said they looked like yours but after I found out they were from NY I didn't make the connection.
I am going to call you in about an hour-I don't know how early is too early to call. I checked on the birds first thing this morning and they all seem fine and they ate all their food. You know me-I take good care of my birds so they are in good hands. The only thing I ask of you is to give us some babies next year. I hope that is not too much to ask. Afterall we do go out in the pouring rain in the woods filled with posion ivy to catch these birds! You know I take good care of my birds and they will have a good life with me! Talk to you soon!
Patti
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PR_rollers
1665 posts
Sep 27, 2008
8:56 AM
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Well I;m glad the rest of those birds are going to do well and that they will be kept in better loft with the proper care..
Sometimes we give birds away without wondering if they gonna be in good care we just assume they are.I mean like the proper loft condition fed good quality feed,
free from lice or mites ,worms.but never would you imagine your birds left out to starve to death on the side of the road in a box all 20 a full kit. NEVER!..especially Dave Sazb birds that I personally know how he keep these birds because i have his birds in my place.when I first received Dave's birds they were so clean free of lice healthy they look like gold I tell you..I had in the past received birds from three different birdman and they had lice, big flys on them.I was so disgusted I had to dip them in soap water and clorox to drown the bugs off them. but Dave's not even shit on their feet.So I know what you feeling Dave and remember what goes around comes on right back around ...
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2008 8:57 AM
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norlan hollingate
847 posts
Sep 27, 2008
1:36 PM
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thats bang out of order
this idiot should be checked out n if he has any other birds these should be taken from him as he is not a fit n proper person to keep them
if he would of carried on taking his medication then this may not of happend
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sundance
811 posts
Sep 27, 2008
5:11 PM
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I dont think words can describe the total wrongness of someone doing this. Thats like torture to be put in a box to starve and watching those around you starve.
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2826 posts
Sep 27, 2008
7:12 PM
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Hey All, I had to moderate this persons name. If what is posted above is true, how disappointing that a person would treat these creatures in such an unthinking and cruel way.
There are all sorts of people in this hobby and I, in running this site, I have had to deal with some pretty nasty and distasteful people on this board who are no longer here.
But I do have to say that 99.9% of the people here are good people and of good character.
Be careful and measure your words, there are people out there just looking for a fight with someone.
This is not my favorite thread... :-(
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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fhtfire
1548 posts
Sep 27, 2008
8:11 PM
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If he is an NBRC member.....and he did it...I would ban him for life.
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Otis
160 posts
Sep 27, 2008
9:45 PM
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Tony, I understand your moderating this thread. This charcter was a backyarder that showed some interest and we suggested he join the nbrc. Paul, He is no longer a member and I agree with you-he shouldn't be. There are at least 6 lofts with 15 miles where the birds would have been willingly accepted. I'm within 5 miles, he could have put the box on my doorstep, but seems he had an ax to grind with everyone. Last point! There are local authorities that want to see justice done-we all do! Otis
Last Edited by on Sep 27, 2008 9:53 PM
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gotspin7
1852 posts
Sep 28, 2008
5:21 AM
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WOW! Not good, Otis I hope they do very well for you, and whitewing we are lucky we have people like you out there.
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Sal Ortiz
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Otis
161 posts
Sep 28, 2008
9:52 AM
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Sal and All, I picked up the birds from Whitewing this a.m.
I wish to thank her, husband Don and Police for their rescue
work. A nice bald head red hen died just before I arrived. We surmised that because of the lack of poop in the box, that these birds were not being fed or watered in the loft where they resided before they were boxed and left on the side of the road by this animal. These breeders all trace back to Dave and my birds. Two were unrung. 16 are from 02 to 05 breeder stock. The strongest bird was a 96 cock with one bird banded by Dave himself. Their in good hands now, taking a well deserved bath! Otis
Last Edited by on Sep 28, 2008 9:53 AM
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pisto
80 posts
Sep 28, 2008
10:16 AM
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god bless your hearts for taking in those pigeons that didn't deserve to be treated in that manner.
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Electric-man
2054 posts
Sep 28, 2008
12:19 PM
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Way to go Otis! A silver lining in every cloud, heh!
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Val
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whitewings
6 posts
Sep 29, 2008
9:52 AM
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I wanted to let all of you know that I did speak with the animal officer here in depth about the entire incident. She has all the contact information and will be making an investigation. She will question him in depth and will look in his lofts to see what is going on with any birds there. Yes-it was a act of animal cruelty and it will be followed through. They will be contacting me to give me updates....do you want me to post them here or would you rather it be this end of this??? Just let me know.
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Sourland
116 posts
Sep 29, 2008
9:54 AM
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Otis, please keep us updated on how this plays out. Hopefully the authorities will keep after this and either this man will be exonerated or if found to be guilty-FRIED! Regardless of who did this, it is a despicable act, and the guilty party should be shunned (among other things.)
JMO-Geo.
Last Edited by on Sep 29, 2008 9:55 AM
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Dave Szab
197 posts
Sep 29, 2008
11:28 AM
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Whitewings,
Please keep us updated. If you don't update us here, please update me privately at dszab@aol.com, I am very interested in justice being done in this case.
Dave Szabatura
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DeepSpinLofts
1024 posts
Sep 29, 2008
1:05 PM
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I find it totally despicable that people would put live animals on the side of the road to be left to perish.
Terrible thing to do!
Hard to believe that in 2008 animal cruelty of this nature is still occurring in the United States.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Sep 29, 2008 1:07 PM
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whitewings
7 posts
Sep 29, 2008
5:12 PM
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Ok Dave, I will do that! I know they will follow through on this. What the outcome will be I don't know.
I really liked the birds and I even took their picture while they were here :-) I am so sorry that one died :-( She was a beautiful bird! I gave them food and water. I didn't know what else to do.
Whitewings
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pigeoncrazy
55 posts
Sep 29, 2008
5:32 PM
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Ugh - I am sick to read about this inhumane and cruel situation...
But very glad that most of them were rescued in time and will end up in a much better place.
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fhtfire
1550 posts
Sep 29, 2008
5:40 PM
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I want all to remember that this is no different then taking a box of birds out in the country and letting them go etc...our rollers do not know how to fend for themselves...SOME will get lucky and find a group of commies...but most will starve to death....so those of you who go out and let birds go...this is no different..if you have birds that you do not want or do not meet the standards...you either cull them.....or sell them for a dollar to somebody that will eat them.
I myself eat my culls.....they are good...if you can eat a chicken you can sure as hell eat a pigeon...they are far better...they taste just like a dove.
So...you pop there heads off....take a knife and place it at the bottom of the crop and just cut out the breast..bone and all....put them in a freezer bag...at the end of the season you will have a bag of breasts....put them on the BBQ with garlic salt and lemon pepper....or broil them..the taste good with mushrooms for some reason....or you can fry them like chicken...so....
I just had to say that...I have heard of people saying the go here or there and just let them go...that is no different....if you cant cull them find someone who will..
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Sep 29, 2008 5:41 PM
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Otis
163 posts
Sep 29, 2008
7:07 PM
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Whitewings, Please keep us posted right here or email me at redbar20@aol.com! And thanks Tony for making the communication link available! Paul, That needed to be said for all! Thanks, Otis
Last Edited by on Sep 30, 2008 6:58 AM
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cr250
132 posts
Sep 29, 2008
11:12 PM
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I just can't believe that someone can do that.I hunt and I practice to make sure I can make a good shot to put the animal down without any suffering.I would like to put that person in a box and starve him.I am glad the birds are in good hands.
Brian
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mario
94 posts
Sep 30, 2008
6:42 AM
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I JUST HOPE THAT HE FINISH HIS DAYS STARVING LIKE THOSE POORS BIRDS ..........MARIO
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KiddenAround
88 posts
Sep 30, 2008
6:46 AM
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Paul's morbid post made me smile -- so logical.
I know this site is mostly all men -- in fact, haven't seen another woman post yet since I joined. . . . and I suspect some of you may not even like me being here . . . . and I'm cool with that. (Haven't disappeared yet, though, so I must be stubborn! lol) . . .
But this thread melts me because you guys all have such great hearts, kindness toward animals, living creatures.
What a great group of people you are!
(In spite of all of our political differences) lol
What happened to that guy in his lifetime to make him such a cruel and heartless person? I think I pity him.
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-- Laura
Professional Thrill Seeker
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Otis
165 posts
Sep 30, 2008
7:01 AM
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Laura, "whitewings" is a woman and a bonafide bird lover at that! What politics! LOL Patty you absolutely did the right thing! Otis
Last Edited by on Sep 30, 2008 7:02 AM
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PR_rollers
1677 posts
Sep 30, 2008
8:37 AM
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Laura your cool you haven't done anything to make us not like you.unless you leave a box of birds on the side of the road then you in trouble.:)
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Ralph
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fhtfire
1556 posts
Sep 30, 2008
10:01 AM
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Laura,
No prob with being the only woman..lol..so you are a professional thrill seeker...what do you seek to give you a thrill...I am kind of like that myself...I run into burning buildings...and will ride anything fast...why dont you tell us about yourself.
rock and ROLL
Paul
Start a new thread of course...dont want it to be tied to this one!!
ROCK ON!!
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TAWhatley
158 posts
Sep 30, 2008
5:21 PM
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Hi Laura .. I'm a girl too (well .. hardly .. I'm 60 years old)! My given name is Teresa.
Terry
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Mark_Wilson
20 posts
Sep 30, 2008
6:01 PM
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That guy needs a good BEATING
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SJP
37 posts
Sep 30, 2008
7:03 PM
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Sorry...But i can no longer sit here idle and read some of the responses to this post. I have been reading on a daily bases the post on this site. Most of the information is excellent reading. However,fhtfire response to this is alarming.In a previous post he states that if this person that left these birds by the wayside is a member of the NBRC that this person should be banned for life. Yet, in his next post he states that there is no different from letting birds go in the wild, culling, sellig for a $1.00 or eating them. To me there is a BIG difference. At least if you let them go in wild they may find a person like Whitewings who would give them a chance. If you sell for a $1.00 at least you can by some grain. As far a eating, i don't know anyone North of the border that eats pigeons. From reading most of fhtfire post and seeing most of his photos, i find it hard to beleive that he has ever tasted a pigeon. I beleive Rudy Z may have eating his share LOL..
Now, who is to say that all these birds were culls? It is my understanding, from a good source close to the situation that one of the birds given to the late John Weathersbee was "Eagles" father. It does not appear to me that all 20 birds were culls.
SJP
Last Edited by on Sep 30, 2008 7:07 PM
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KiddenAround
91 posts
Sep 30, 2008
8:01 PM
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Thanks, Otis and PR, and great to meet you, Theresa!
Hey, Paul -- I did put some bio on the thread awhile back called Who's Who, regarding my thrill seeking! I enjoyed that thread, and I think I saw you on it.
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-- Laura
Professional Thrill Seeker
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fhtfire
1564 posts
Sep 30, 2008
8:42 PM
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SJP,
I never said it was not ok to cull or sell for 1 dollar...that is the right thing to do...not to suffer and starve....I said that LETTING THEM GO is no different 8 out of 10 rollers will die...the reason I know this...well...I have had two overflies and I have personal bands....I had phone calls from all over that they found my birds weeks later..but they were dead....on the side of the road...back yard...etc....I bet my ass it was starvation of lack of water....I got 1 bird back that trapped with a homer guy...and 2 birds back that were so weak from no grub that you could walk up and pick them up....when i put them in the loft the ate like there tails were on fire and drank water like there mouths were on fire....most of the birds were accounted for that had starved...none of them were hawk bait...the people who called said they were in full body and feather but just dead...so letting them go in the WILD is just that WILD..these are not WILD animals...they only know a water feeder and grain feeder...few will get lucky and follow commmies and find food and water....most will not...that is not humane...culling is humane....finding a home is humane....eating is humane....selling for food is humane...so....I never said that I was saying that the last mentioned were not humane.
So...inhumane..putting them in a box on the side of the road to starve....letting them go in the wild to starve (most).
Humane.....Culling...selling...giving to another flier.....eating....I did not lump this together.
rock and ROLL
Paul Fullerton
re-read my post
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KiddenAround
95 posts
Oct 02, 2008
7:47 AM
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I thought about all of you guys last night, and this is not about pigeons, but along the lines of discovering how many of you guys truly love animals.
Last night I was riding a horse I am training in the pasture and I kept seeing vehicles on the highway slowing down and honking, so I thought the neighbor's cattle were out on the highway again. I rode "Norma Jean" (a palomino named after Marilyn Monroe's real name because of her long blonde mane) through the gates and out onto the highway and what I saw was extremely sad . . .
Someone had hit a dog, and the dog's mate was standing guard over her body, right in the middle of the road. It was a dangerous situation because people were having to swerve to miss the dogs. I intended to tie my horse up and move the dog, but as I got closer, I realized that they were pit bulls, and the guard dog, which was wearing a full harness, was barking and threatening me not to get close. About this time, a big, burly young man pulled over, totally disgusted by someone hitting the dog and not stopping, and told me that the situation was breaking his heart, so he had turned around to come back and at least move the dead dog onto the side of the road so the other one wouldn't get killed.
Norma Jean and I kept the guard dog distracted while this good Samaritan did his job, and I'm not sure that he might not have been attacked if we hadn't been there to help.
As the guy drove off, he pounded his chest and said again how much that scene had hurt his heart.
I don't think I realized that there were so many kind-hearted animal-loving men out there!
I wonder if he owns roller pigeons? (smile)
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-- Laura
Professional Thrill Seeker
Last Edited by on Oct 02, 2008 7:48 AM
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TheGame
223 posts
Oct 02, 2008
9:17 PM
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Whitewings could you post some pics of the birds??
Last Edited by on Oct 02, 2008 9:18 PM
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pigeoncrazy
56 posts
Oct 03, 2008
10:25 AM
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Hi Laura - I am also a girl. So there are at least a few of us, lol. (not to take this totally off topic)
I have been following the story with particular interest because I live near the area where these birds were found.
Hope whitewings will keep us updated.
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whitewings
12 posts
Oct 05, 2008
6:11 AM
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Hello everyone!
Here are the pictures I took while they were with me.
The one in the back with the white head died the morning Mark came to get them.
This is another one of the box pigeons that someone else found a few days later and it was brought to my house. Mark let me keep this one.
It is eating but very thin. At least to my standards LOL but I tend over feed all my pigeons, or so I am told. My rollers look like little Modena's :-) I don't fly them-too many hawks. They are all fat and happy.
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