rollernewbie
64 posts
Sep 28, 2008
10:22 AM
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hey guys....what do you consider a proven bird?
im still a newbie..this is what i consider a proven bird is that its has what you are looking for..and have been a great father or mother in the breeding loft..also there youngs been performing great??
well tell me what you guys think..
Thanks...
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-Billy
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pisto
82 posts
Sep 28, 2008
10:27 AM
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i think a proven bird comes from the sky it has to have quality,speed,dept,and consistency (QSDC)
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fresnobirdman
84 posts
Sep 28, 2008
10:34 AM
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i think proven is they are proven to do what they said they did.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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kopetsa
1668 posts
Sep 28, 2008
11:07 AM
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In my opinion, they have to roll AT LEAST 15-20 feet with a nice tight roll, where you can't even count the number of rolls they do. I like when they are actually in flight to roll at least every 20-30 seconds. Obviously frequency is a b**** to breed for too. lol
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Andrew
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ICEMAN710
545 posts
Sep 28, 2008
11:30 PM
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It really depends, Proven in the air or Proven in the stock loft.
I would expect a bird dimed proven in the air to be an overall excellent-solid performer, with all the characteristics pisto stated quality,speed, style, depth,and CONSISTANCY- A bird that has flown for more than 2 seasons.
Note that those characteristics vary from the eye of the beholder; each breeder. Some may like smooth spinning H frame 20 footers, while others may like hard spinning A frame 30-40 footers.
If I were to buy birds from a breeder and picked the birds from the sky, the birds to me would be proven in the air...I know exactly what they are doing.
A bird that is proven in the stock loft, is a bird which can reproduce a high percentage of good offspring. Offspring which are of the same quality or better.
Dont be fooled by some sellers, more than likely looking for a profit stating proven breeders. Just be sure to ask what they mean by proven. As some have different views on what they exactly mean. Some believe the word "proven" in roller terms as the one I stated above, or Proven as in able to produce healthy young regardless of their quality.
Everyone as you can see may have different views on the subject, take what you like, these are just my own opinions.
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Gary
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Square
507 posts
Sep 29, 2008
9:16 AM
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In my personal opion, I think it is becoming harder to actually prove a bird any more... Some say that it takes two years under the wing to really see a birds potential.. And to me that means 24 months.. wich actuall rounds out two four seasons,, granted you are locking them down during to B.O.P season. I am now to the point that I just want ALL my birds to mirror one another, and I just focus on that... the percentage of my family in a whole not just a few select breeders... of course that was my goal in the begining with my family... Now after 10years all that I am focused on is the percentages of my family in a whole... Hope this makes sence...
Square
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Flipmode
225 posts
Sep 29, 2008
9:53 PM
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I second that Gary!
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quickspin
851 posts
Sep 29, 2008
9:54 PM
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3rd to that Gary.
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SALAS LOFT
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rollernewbie
66 posts
Sep 30, 2008
2:05 PM
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oh..thanks guys for the info..i guess i'll look for those traits in my future birds...
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-Billy
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