why do you always ask the same question over n over? breed it and fine out from it.no more search of his birds. since you give up on the birds before u find out if the birds is good or not.you need to give the birds time to come back into the roll.birds can't always do what you want them to do it does work that way. TRANCE LOFTS kooper
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Dave - That was awesome advice! Many times people make remarks about a fancier and he or she has never set foot in their backyard or they do not know a heavens thing about them but yet they have all of the answers! Amazing.
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Look in the phone directory and Bruce Woody Woodworht should be listed. I think he will give you advice about his rollers. I have known him and his father for many years. Good luck! ---------- "Crystal Palace Roller Lofts" _______(Ray Sanchez)_______
Fresno birdman - Let me give you some logic in this. If some people or the majority says he has good birds you still do not know if he is going to sell you good ones. That goes for anyone as you will not know until you breed them. There were people who bought birds from Bill Pensom who were not happy. This saying stands for anyone else who has raised or is raising rollers. Someone will always be dissatisfied no matter what. What people say is meaningless and will only add to the confusion. Many will say bad things to get you to buy their birds. If you like this mans pigeons try them but do not count on what others say or think.
---------- kongo: I know woody i went to his house to check out his dogs i saw his setup and they were great but i dont think he is selling any of his birds i'm pretty sure. His birds and tom tillery's birds are sort of the same. there birds are nice and deep though!
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Same here.. You guys all know the breeders themselves would probably say..
---------- Andrew C. Home of the Yellows
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I would had ask before I bought the birds ..now you stuck with them if good or bad...If you don't know who you buying birds from always good to ask around but like Laron said anybody could tell you what you wanna hear or don't wanna hear.they can bullsh@@ just so you can buys his...but if you don't know if he would lie about his birds your best bet was ask him to fly them.go see them again and again until you feel convince then you decide on what you saw what you like.its your taste your style that would help you make up your mind or take someone you know that knows the deal with you... good luck... ---------- Ralph
that's a Classic Woody.. ---------- RxR Loft Roll'em if you got'em...
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lol Thx Andrew that made my night always like Woodywoodpecker,,that and the roadrunner !beepbeep!can't remember the last time I seen that must have been your age.. ---------- Ralph
Fresno I think you need to be patient. Your buying birds, and you dont trust they guy who is selling them why buy it. I think all roller rolls at one point. I think you need some serious help and you got problems. Look in the mirror and you'll see. Your next post i think would be why arent they rolling its been 3 weeks. Give it time. You should of bought them and choose them from the air. You should of never sold your kit of birds that was doing 30 ft'ers.Lol.
Now what you should do before buying any bird is see them in the air and if some one would sale you some. After this not many honestly would want to sale birds thinking you are going to be asking around if they know if they have good birds or not.
I have purchase birds and I have got rip off but I have not said any names. Because you never really now if it was intentional or just bad luck or even my self.
You really need to give time to your birds to get to know them. You can't know what a bird has in couple of months you need years. You can know if it produces bad but to really understand the bird it takes time. You need to change pairs around to see if they click better or worst with another one. Take notes a lot, that's the work that we do change mates around 2-4 times a year to figure out what they are made of. But on birds that are worth it, that you see they have the genes to produce what you want. If they don't cull them right away and next one in line.
Now for this is buy birds from a reputable person that has been in birds for a long time.
PICK FROM THE AIR 2 YEAR OLD BIRDS.
I.C.R.C SALAS LOFT
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i really want to pick them from the air so that i can get the ones that i really like, but the problem is that there is so many pigeon thieves these days; people don't allow other people to there houses any more. so the chances of you seeing bird sellers birds in the air; haha never!
You have serious issues dude. Rollers are about folks getting to know folks. If you want to be successful, hang out with guys with birds, talk about your likes & dislikes in a kit of birds. Take time to show your interest in the hobby & nine times out of ten you will end up with quality birds.
It takes time, patience and friendships to make a successful program. You can't say that Woody sold you worthless birds, rather, they had no value to you because you forgot the most important steps in acquiring quality.
I've never met Woody but frankly, if I were him, I'd be a little upset with your impatience. You showed your true colors on this thread and it will take a long while for those roller guys around you to forget how you are. You're wanting a ready made kit to win competitions, it takes years and work for that to happen. You flat disrespected a guy who has time and work invested in his birds.
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Hey Fresno ever hear the song that goes like this> Hey fresnoooooooo.... I can't get nooooooo....satisfactionnnnnnnn.. No serious you got some issues .you don't have a ride you don't have rollers anymore and you don't have patience.. easy problems get a job save up money get a bike ten speed.. save money buy Ruby rollers from Tony here they come with instructions.and build up patience lot and lots of patience and there you go.. a roller man on the horizon...good luck.. ---------- Ralph
Fresno, After looking at your profile, I understand. You're 16 years old, no job, no patience, no ambition, no real direction in life....am I right? Listen, You're changing rollers faster than you are your own underwear. Take some pride in the birds that you already have and breed the best ones you have. Take two to three years and be really serious about the birds you have. Your world has been a disposable one up to now. Try to make do with what you have and it may surprise you. Get in for the long haul or get out all together.
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Pete...That one made me crack up>>You're changing rollers faster than you are your own underwear.lmao// ---------- Ralph
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Yeah good one he is changing his birds faster then his underwear lol. I know there is alot of guys in fresno that have good birds and are willing to help him get started. But to me its hard when a guy gets your bird and tell you its been 3 weeks how come ur bird fly like a barn pigeon only. How come they arent rolling yet. You tell him over and over but he just dont get it. Takes time. Before you know it he probably give your bird away before you change ur underwear. lol. So to me until he show interested, patient and maturity he is just bull. Also if you want birds rolling deep and fast you should save up because u cant just expect to get the best. It cost to play. Also word of advice I dont think people mind giving you birds but like you said your young can't get a ride we just want to come see your place make sure you can feed and care for our birds. So if you think people dont let you come see their birds maybe you should try to get to know people and build trust. But I dont think you can be Patient enough.
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That's now the whole point of this post. I doubt you'll get even junk culls from anyone now with your attitude. I wouldn't sell you a cull! BTW change your underwear man!
LMAO Pete...i wouldnt give my cull to him either..with that kind of attitude..i would rather cull it... also impatient people like you will never have good birds..so learn from your mistakes..and everyone knows that good birds takes time to get..and cant always get the best..u got to have patience in the birds you bought...cant expect them to roll for u in 3wks...takes time for them get comfortable and know there surrounding... ---------- RollerNewbie
man... i dont know why old peoples dont respect young people these days. all i ask was that if anyone knows woody and if his birds are good. that was all people. there was nothin about me not being inpatient, where did that come from?
and wtf! i dont want any of your dumb culls.i didnt even ask for any of your dumb culls. even if you gave them to me for free, i would just feed throw them to the hawks. actually, i wouldn't even put them in with my kit birds. i wouldn't even take them home, i would just throw them into the streets and not even look to see what happens to them! haha LAMO!
~~Fresnobirdman~~
Last Edited by on Nov 11, 2008 7:30 PM
and to pr_rollers, riding bikes to peoples place, they look at you with no respect. they think your a low life with nothing to do rather than riding bikes around all day.
but thanks for your suggestion.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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"nothing about me being impatient where did that come from."
Fresno when you ask why your birds are not rolling yet at 3 weeks of flying is showing impatience..when you give a away birds you bought because you know nothing of the seller is impatience.. see where that come from...
OK fellas lets leave this tread die out we just wasting our time ..and we are now stooping down to his level..Fresno just heed our advise the good one's...if you want..later..gator..and its the young who don't respect old ppl anymore.. ----------
P.S. Pensom use to go all around on a bike to different loft with a friend name ken Payne they would travel about the Midlands of England searching for top fanciers and their birds nobody look down at those men.. what they saw were serious individuals searching for knowledge and the best ..so you get that bike and get out there ..forget what ppl think.. good luck...I just gave you a little history.. Ralph
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pr_roller, i respect everyone that thats older than me like a bro, but them nuts gotta say all these negative stuff, even if its not necessary. they just wanna put you down cause your younger that they are.
no more search of his birds. since you give up on the birds before u find out if the birds is good or not.you need to give the birds time to come back into the roll.birds can't always do what you want them to do it does work that way. TRANCE LOFTS kooper
Last Edited by on Nov 11, 2008 9:21 PM
Fresno, you're right -- you were asking a question, looking for help and guidance, I think these guys were a little hard on you. If you're 16, you might be expected to be a little immature and impatient -- I would think that's natural. Please don't take offense at that -- we've all been 16 and impatient. Patience is a virtue, can take years to develop. Sometimes we 'inherit' impatience, truly -- maybe it's a gene! I think your heart was in the right place, and after all, this is a forum to help each other. Maybe it was the rest of us, the OLDER ones who didn't show much patience, after all! We should be patient with YOU.
But I also believe these guys are guiding you in the right direction. They are trying to help -- just in their own rough ways.
You need to know that it's okay for you to ride a bike anywhere you want, and those who judge you for that are not worthy of judging you. You are showing, by riding your bike, that you have a passion to learn, and you are willing to try. If you just sit home, you aren't trying. I commend you for trying. If you have a dream, pursue it -- you won't get anywhere in life if you don't try, and when you do, try with all your heart. Ignore those would would criticize you for trying. You get knocked down, you get back up. Shake it off.
Just listen to the advice, Fresno. I do agree that younger people don't respect older people enough nowadays, but I also think that you didn't do anything wrong here on this post, simply asking a question.
I am sure most of us was at his footstep at some point of time. This roller breed is like a drug addiction (I don't do drugs...just for the record). The best are always the most expensive unless you have the right connection. I am sure "fresno" being young and all reading all these posts about this family doing 40 footers and that family doing 40 footers, he gets a little impatient. Sometimes, you take one step forward and 2 steps back. Maybe try standing still and evaluate the situation before proceeding.
I met him in person; as a matter of fact, I sold him a few of my kit birds I won from the worldcup auction (Paul Fullerton's kit). I had to sell off all of my birds because I moved to the inner city where birds are prohibited; Otherwise, I would of kept them all. The young man ask his mom to drive all the way from Fresno to Sac for 5 birds. If I didn't need the doe, I would of gave it to him for free but because I am relocating and settling some dues, I had no choice. he is a great person and I know with the right guidence, this young man can go a long way in this hobby.
Truth is, it don't matter if you pick a 50 footer from the air or not, if you don't know how to manage it, you ain't seeing no 50 footers and trying to duplicate it takes studying, time, effort, knowledge, patience, errors, and willingness to learn. With the money one spent buying birds after birds, that is a whole years of feed.
Fresno, understand that no one is trying to put you down or thinking they are smarter than you. Everyone is just trying to tell you be patient. that's all. The roller world is quite small, be open-minded because in the future if you do get a chance to meet any one of these great fellow roller men, they might not want to lend a hand.
good luck to all still enjoying this great hobby. Fly safe.
