mr.b.j
28 posts
Oct 18, 2008
3:53 PM
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Lets say u got a bird it dont kit rite, but it gets its roll on...would u try an breed it???
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fresnobirdman
155 posts
Oct 18, 2008
4:05 PM
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i would!
i only care about the roll, if i dont kit too good i dont really care, mate it with a hen that could kit extra tight!
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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Oldfart
848 posts
Oct 18, 2008
4:22 PM
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I would give it a chance if it is very young, but non kitting is a fault and I would not breed from it.
Thom
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tou_vang
439 posts
Oct 18, 2008
5:40 PM
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if it is young and i still have space then i might fly it still but i wont breed it. like oldfart said, non kitting is a fault and faults are culls. fault birds wont do you any good!!!
Last Edited by on Oct 18, 2008 5:42 PM
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wishiwon2
88 posts
Oct 18, 2008
9:23 PM
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It depends on what you want. If you want more rollers that dont kit, then breed it. At my house its a major fault. It is very heritable too. I know Ive tried it.
I will work with a bird that is flying out ... for a while. They either straighten out and kit or I remove them from my kits.
Like breeds Like, you get out what you put in.
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PR_rollers
1762 posts
Oct 18, 2008
9:37 PM
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WishiWon said in plain english."Like breeds Like, you get out what you put in. never breed birds that don't kit.I would rather breed a bird that never roll but kit well all the time and come from good stock and has siblings that roll with style than breed a bird that don't want to kit but roll good..not even in pairing it to correct the problem it would show up later on because it is hidden....that bird that never roll might have hidden secrets that would surprise you,but that bird that never kit his secrets are out for you to see..he don't have the heart to kit or play with the team.an outsider a cull is his description ...... ----------
Ralph
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3757
966 posts
Oct 18, 2008
10:03 PM
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Mr. BJ - Anyone that has studied genetics knows you will get a variation. I would not breed it because of where I am with my family. It really depends on what you want.
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fhtfire
1592 posts
Oct 18, 2008
10:17 PM
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If it is a young bird coming into the roll for the first time..i would give it a little time....if it is well into the roll..it is a cull..nothing more..nothing less...non-kitting means that the bird is mentally weak and stays away from the kit because it cant handle the roll....Does not matter how much roll if it does not kit.
Why waste time on a problem bird when you can spend your time with the birds that are doing it.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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RXR Loft
286 posts
Oct 18, 2008
10:23 PM
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I would say if the bird is of the family you are working with, and have high hopes for that bird .. than give him some time to learn if not cull & move on
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RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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kopetsa
1899 posts
Oct 18, 2008
10:24 PM
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Give him more time!
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Andrew C.
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kopetsa
1900 posts
Oct 18, 2008
10:24 PM
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If it a young birds Definitely Give him more time!
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Andrew C.
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pisto
131 posts
Oct 18, 2008
11:39 PM
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chances are the offsprings might end up doing the same.but give it a chance.i have fixed birds that wouldn't kit before.what i did was hold the bird down for two days.then the third day fly it.keep repeating this.and if this bird lands earlier than your other birds throw it up after you let your kit up.for example say your bird lands 10 min before your kit does.then next time you fly your kit hold that one bird for the first 10 min after releasing your kit.but anyway make the bird anxious to fly.to me flying is a privilege so use that as an advantage to show them that your the master.
Last Edited by on Oct 18, 2008 11:39 PM
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fhtfire
1593 posts
Oct 19, 2008
9:05 AM
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I do not understand....why should you have to "fix" a bird...either they have it or they dont. Dont get me wrong..if it is a young bird and has just come into the roll..yes give it a little time...it is not uncommon for a young bird to come into the roll and get a little freaked out....that is when I too do the lock down a little..etc...because they are just babies.
Now if a bird is well into the roll and then starts pulling away from the kit...or not kitting.....I will give the bird ONE SHOT..and that is lock down for a couple days and feed it up....after that....the bird is history....if you have to baby a bird or do extra little things...that is a waste of time...you are wasting perch space and food. That is a cull plain and simple....(if it is an older bird)...Again..ask yourself this....why should you have to :"fix" a bird when it is a true solid team bird or breeder you do not need to "fix" them.
I have culled birds that spun like champions...but they would not do it in the team.....so they were culled...that was at the begining...now I rarely have a kitting issue...why..because I do not mess with not kitter.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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