Drama Side
160 posts
Oct 20, 2008
12:50 PM
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What is the criteria for judging show birds. 1) Is color a factor or not. Some judges it is. 2) If you was a judge what would you look for and if you are a judge what do you look for. For me if I was a judge color would not be a factor. The first thing I would look for is body type. Second would be character and feathering. Third would be temperment and last would be cleanest.
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kopetsa
1913 posts
Oct 20, 2008
5:04 PM
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Good post Drama. Well I am not a judge but if I was.. Well color wouldn't be a major factor but to a certain extent it just may be, depending on the color of course, if it was just out of this world great. :) I want heavy back skull on the bird with a nice thick chest on it. I would like it to have a nice thick neck on it and clean legs. For the wings, I don't want the end of the wings to go past the tail very far at all. The eyes would have to be pearl, orange, or yellow eyed. Sometimes there is an exception of bull eyes.. Character plays a big role too! :) I would also go by condition of the birds, if the feet were actually clean, and I would check if it was, in anyways, sick.. (i.e. open mouth and look for canker, check for watery eyes, and look for lice) And thats me. Body type all around. Also when I hold the bird I want it to be thick at the front and narrow by the tail. Kind of look like an ice cream cone from the top. lol, looking down on its back with the tail pointing away.. Also the beak can't be to small.. Also when I hold the bird, I want to see that it has that nice apple feeling to it up front..
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Andrew C.
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CSRA
1704 posts
Oct 28, 2008
8:27 AM
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Drama color should not be a factor but to some judges it is and it is up to the judge on what he likes if i was show i would probably bring a bird that i know that the judge favors
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BA Rollers
99 posts
Oct 28, 2008
11:08 PM
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The key words in the original question is "show birds". Performing rollers aren't show birds. Show birds are judged against a Standard of Perfection. The criteria of the standard will vary from breed to breed. Most standards have catagories and within those catagories a points structure for the elements to be scrutinized.
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smoke747
1367 posts
Oct 29, 2008
12:37 AM
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Hey Stave, do you still have the hen that I bred that you got from Tyrone?
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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LIL RIC
128 posts
Oct 29, 2008
8:51 AM
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what's up drama hope all good in your hood. it depend on the breed. i used breed and jugde and show english trumpters for 20 years. ther a lot to judge on each breed have defrent standers. it alot of work too.
lil ric
west side loft
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rolleronnie
10 posts
May 09, 2009
5:15 PM
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Not quite right BA Rollers.. Here in Sydney we also show our performing rollers. Hand picked from our Kit Boxes for a weekend of judging and pampering, then back home and released again! much to the horror of fellow fanciers who would never release one of their own show birds. We get the best of both worlds.
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Ronnie
Promoting the Birmingham Roller
The greatest aerial acrobat!
Last Edited by on May 10, 2009 1:43 PM
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BA Rollers
236 posts
May 09, 2009
9:35 PM
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Ronnie, do you have a physical standard of perfection for your performing rollers, or is it like here in the states, basically an opinion of the person asked to judge the birds of what he thinks is a good roller?
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donnie james
428 posts
May 09, 2009
10:09 PM
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i'm no show judge but i judge our flying rollers back in portsmouth roller club fly type show in december a few times color i don't look for i look for the body style about 7 to 8 oz cock and 6 to 7 oz hen with middle kewl lenth on a bird is about 7 to 8 inches for a cock and 6 to 7 for a hen..........and the eyes doesn't matter ..................donny james
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rolleronnie
14 posts
May 10, 2009
12:05 AM
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Yes of course there must be certain criteria/factors for judges to follow, colour is not one of those factors when judging performing rollers. The overall size of the bird, it's stance, plumage and the size of the keel coupled with the overall physical health of the bird are important factors. Remember BA...the birds are on display for 'show' so the judges are only judging what they see. Judging for their performance is a totally different competition. I think it's a very interesting show type. Our birds are performers, and that observation is very distinct when comparing to the 'show type' rollers; they are a completely different bird. The Birmingham 'Performing' Roller has it's very own Characteristics which denote a very distinctive 'type'... would you agree BA?
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Ronnie
Last Edited by on May 10, 2009 4:14 AM
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fransrollers
31 posts
May 10, 2009
1:05 AM
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hey rolleronnie. is this your opinion or the club you are using the logo. if its only your opinion you should not use, the sydney performing roller club name
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BA Rollers
237 posts
May 10, 2009
2:35 AM
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Ronnie, I do agree that a performing rollers and a show roller are two different beasts. However I do not agree with the opinion that performing rollers have some kind of measure in a show pen. There is no Standard Of Perfection for the breed. There is no standard recognized in this country by the NPA nor the NBRC by which performing rollers (Birmingham Rollers) judged in a show are measured by, a measure based on a vast set of ideals both verbally and visually. There has been no agreement by any national roller organization that states the physical merits that a "perfect" roller must possess, features that all others are judged by. Putting flying rollers in a show pen and asking someone to "judge" them yields results that are based solely on that person's opinion of what he thinks is the best roller of the ones placed before him. I am a master breeder of show pigeons. I know what standards are for and how they are to be used. Which is why I am opposed to showing performing rollers, because there is NO physical standard in place that depicts the "ideal"...and I hope there never will be because the day that document is born, so will the rebirth of the evolution of the show roller all over again.
Last Edited by on May 10, 2009 2:37 AM
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rolleronnie
16 posts
May 10, 2009
4:43 AM
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I totally agree with you there BA, I too would be opposed to the idea of a physical written standard for performing rollers. The perfect roller type is as elusive as the perfect roll! There could never be a perfect 'show-type' performing roller, because Birmingham Rollers are just that, performers. Now any person given the task of judging a performing roller would need to take these factors into account and judge what he sees in front of him for its appearance, health and character. A bird can still look beautiful without having to conform to an 'ideal' set of rules. With all due respect to you BA and your 'Master' status, I think that allot of fancy pigeon breeders need to chill out a little and enjoy their birds for what they are.
And thank you fransrollers... point taken.
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Ronnie.
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fransrollers
33 posts
May 10, 2009
4:47 AM
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hey ronnie you sound like a nice chap,its good to hear you have taken care of it .i also think that Toughrollers is from australia, look up his profile take care fran
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rolleronnie
18 posts
May 10, 2009
4:50 AM
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Thanks Fran I will do that.. You take care too
Ronnie.
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Promoting The Birmingham Roller
The Greatest Aerial Acrobat!
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macsrollers
68 posts
May 11, 2009
10:11 PM
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While there is no written standard set by the NBRC I believe that a unwritten standard exists. A judge does pick a bird based on his opinion of what that unwritten standard may be, but I have seen tremendous consistency in the judging of performing rollers at least in Southern Cal. as that is the only area I have so far been able to attend lawn shows. I quickly learned that it is a waste of time to bring a bird to the show, no matter how typey, that isn't in show condition. It is a show and most judges expect the birds to be conditioned for such. I also have seen certain birds place at several shows in a row with a different judge at each show. Showing performing rollers at lawn shows is part of the fun of going to the shows. Guys like Juan Navarro and Rayvon Hall consistently do well as they know type and have their birds in top condition for the shows. But the fun is that anyone can win if they have the right type and have the bird in show condition. I go to a half a dozen shows a year and it amazes me how consistent the different judges are in placing birds that meet this unwritten standard. And every one of these judges flies and breeds rollers for performance, not the show pen. Great fun to show the birds and participate at the lawn shows! Thanks, Don M. Mac's Rollers LVRC
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rolleronnie
21 posts
May 12, 2009
4:48 AM
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Your so lucky Don! I only wish we had the opportunity that you guys have in the states to see performing rollers in so many shows. I think it is paramount that a person assigned to judging performing rollers is a flier himself. Take care!
Ronnie.
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Promoting The Birmingham Roller
The Greatest Aerial Acrobat!
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city-side-lofts
284 posts
May 13, 2009
7:43 PM
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well I do judge quit a bit I have sold all of my show birds and now only have rollers the show birds cost me to much to keep going so I got rid of them all but now I get calls for me to judge all over and the things I look for is as follows body type and body condition the eye setting stance the shape of the scull I check to make sure there is no stain or marking on the beak I check the eyes to make sure they are clean I make sure that they are not lazy eyed I check for the height at which they carry them self I feel their keil bone to make sure its strait when looking at stance they cant carry them selevs to high or to errect the color is not important at all but feather condition is a major roll if the legs are dirty then thats bad cause if your birds are healthy nothing sticks to their legs I make sure the beak is filed or well kept and I make sure the nails are trimmed and cleaned out I also check for mites and bugs to make sure nothing is wrong with the bird and so they are in tip top shape and last but not least I check for is how they react to other birds when set in a cage a cock usally will show you his stuff by strutting or standing tall showing you he is healthy and a hen usally stands errect and has a little bit different foot placement making her appear bigger so that the other hen wont mess with her these are the things I check for when I judge
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The man in black
Bling-Bling-Benny-Boy
city-side-lofts.piczo.com
Rocket-Rollers
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