Canspinners
201 posts
Oct 21, 2008
3:10 PM
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MR BOB BROWN
One of The greaTs I am forTunaTe To Have This family of birds because Jay Lucarrelli imporTed Them in The laTe 70,S.
Jay made several Trips To england To bring birds over. He sTill mainTains 100% Bob Brown birds. Jay provided This picTure and pedigrees To Me.
He had a house full of Trophys from winning mosT of The compeTiTions in England a few people like shadow and black 500 have acknowledged he greaT conTribuion Mr Brown made o our hobby .
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PR_rollers
1790 posts
Oct 21, 2008
9:13 PM
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Bob Brown ,,Good to remember a legend..Die- in 1993,may he R.I.P....I will take my time and write some versus from his book for those new guys and girls who don't know Bob Brown and those who can't no longer find his book or afford it ..
----------Graham Dexter writes about Bob Brown.
"Bob was the undoubtedly the best competitor and most able roller man of this century.Over more than a half century Bob competed and won the majority of honors each year.Bob never lost his love of the birds even when his health began to fail him..The years before his death I met him after a roller meeting and he told me that this was the first year that he have not manage to win a major trophy.He said this with both disbelief and great disappointment.Looking at the great man I made the mistake of offering some comfort.I suggested that it had been a difficult year,that his health had held him back,and that perhaps he should just relax with his birds and glory in his magnificent successes of the past.His reply was typical of the great competitor."No fear".he said, It made me more determined than ever,Next year I'm going all out to win everything".
Bob will be remembered not only for his tenacity to win, But his grace in defeat.his will be the first hand forward to congratulate the winner,even when he been only narrowly beaten.His voice would often be heard encouraging the newcomer, offering advise and generally taking the trouble that others in their excitement would miss.Bob was a great ambassador for the hobby traveling to the USA ,Canada,South Africa and Southern Ireland to spread the word. He was always reminding the people in power that we must recruit the youngsters.,encourage them what ever we can,for in his words "There lies the future of the hobby"...
Maybe we can all learn something from this great Legend..So true are those last words huh!
Ralph
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Canspinners
205 posts
Oct 22, 2008
10:16 AM
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Tha was greaT Pr which book is ThaT did BOB Brown wriTe one?
If i is Graham DexTers book which one do you recommend.
Thanks for sharing he valueable informaTion. I wanT To learn more on he HisTory and origin of his family of birds iTs imporanT To know our hisTory so ThaT no similiar misTakes are made and ThaT we know where To go in he fuTure.
Thanks
John
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Steve_uk
986 posts
Oct 22, 2008
11:55 AM
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I have some videos of bob ill try and get them on youtube for you.
ste...
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Canspinners
210 posts
Oct 22, 2008
7:11 PM
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THANKS STEVE HA WOULD BE APPRECIATED..IF MR BROWN WERE ALIVE I WOULD HAVE VISITED HIM IN ENGLAND
TO BAD I WAS NOT INTO ROLLERS BACK THEN...I WAS MORE INVOLVED WITH DONECKS AND VUTAS IN HE 80 AND 90'S THE 70'S WERE GOOD ROLLER DAYS IN TORONTO CANADA LOTS OF GREAT BIRDS THEN
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PR_rollers
1795 posts
Oct 22, 2008
8:28 PM
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John , The book I got that information is the 2nd Edition Graham Dexter , He interviews many top guys
like George Mason .George Kitson.Les Bezance,Gordon Forbes-,John Thompson,Ron Adams,The great Bob Brown.Ect, Ect---------You get to read different opinions ,how they train ...how they judge ...The book is great I tell you..I think I got the last one from Tony here.. Glad you appreciated though peace out .....
P.S. be on the look out for what Steve is going to put in You Tube a video of Bob..good looking out Steve..
Ralph
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Canspinners
213 posts
Oct 23, 2008
8:38 AM
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ThanKs Ralph I will Try Tony or ge a copy locally a a pigeon show
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topnotch uk
38 posts
Dec 13, 2008
5:18 AM
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old posting the great bob brown. i kid you not bob was a very good friend to me i first. met bob in the 70s when i was a young lad i used to visit to watch bob fly in competitions waxing the arses of top roller men in the. 80s had the opportunity and the priviege to fly next.to bob never to win bob LOLLLL the birds i was obsessive with in the 80s was a good roller man ollie harris ollie lived couple of streets from me he used to own a pet shop selling corn and pigeons i got birds of him then but when he moved to birmingham 10 miles away we got on like a house on fire he never refuse me birds we remained friends till is death the only refect on is birds was high flying i think the 2 men in question are incomparable i hope you find this post a good impression yours in sport
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quality
48 posts
Dec 13, 2008
5:38 AM
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I too have birds from Jay & have kept them pure. I have the Bob Brown picture hanging in my living room & everybody always asks if it is my grandfather. I also have a picture of Bob & Bill Barrett hanging as well. I have Bill's birds as well.
2 great men.
Jay has supplied many roller men with rollers, some have kept them pure lots have bred other blood into them. To each his own.
Jay is a great roller man & knows Bob Brown birds like no other I know.
Jay is the Bill Pensom of my time.
Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2126 posts
Dec 13, 2008
6:40 AM
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Good post topnotch uk,whats your name if you don't mind me asking..like to know who is this man who walk with these two greats..must be a good feeling ..I bet..
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Ralph
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topnotch uk
39 posts
Dec 13, 2008
8:22 AM
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hi don +ralph thanks 4 your comments just 4 the record not a competitor now but still keep the rollers i still get around the compations doing the odd JUDGEING.john tompson + bill barret good friends of mine the last time i seen john tompson was at ron adams funeral i remember going 2 bobs and seeing 2 pigeons in is loft he had them of tompson a self blue hen + a black/w/wing hen just b4 is death both in the stock pen and last of all mr pigy george mason ha ha was up georges 2weeks aGO SEEN 3 KITS FLY GOT A LOT OF TIME 4 GEORGE HE IS A TOP MAN YOURS IN SPORT (KEN) HOME OF FINE ROLLERS lollllllllllll PS HOPE MASONS NOT READING THIS?LOLLLL
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true spin
37 posts
Dec 13, 2008
8:59 AM
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hi canspinners & topnotch uk this is rick reid i to have bob browns birds from jay lucarrelli & eugene szczuko i have 9 pair to breed from in the spring and also plan on keeping them pure both these men are right on top of these birds & still use bobs nest records as well as there own if you can get to meet them please do as they are both great guys & i was fortunate enough to meet them both
thanks rick
true spin
Country Creek Loft
Ontario Canada
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quality
49 posts
Dec 13, 2008
12:28 PM
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True Spin, you must be 1 of the guys John "Eugene" we all call him John was talking about the other night when I was talking to him. He is also a great roller man, if he didn't lose so many birds to the "BOP" he would be on the top, still he can put up a pretty good kit. All of us who keep the English stuff pure still use Bob's pedigrees. I do all the time. Most of my stuff goes back to Bob's black griizzle cock & Bill's white self hen. I keep Bob's & Bill's line pure' but have done some crossing, Knowing Bob & Bill did the same.
Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
Ontario, Canada
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Canspinners
279 posts
Dec 13, 2008
2:03 PM
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Hi Don ,canspinners stands for Canadian Spinners += John Kouzos
Don met you a couple of times and was at your place during one of the flys
Rick saw the picss of your car thanks for posting Amazing car
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2976 posts
Dec 13, 2008
2:45 PM
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Hey canspinners, I think your capslock button is glitching. Might want to take a look at it. ;-)
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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true spin
40 posts
Dec 13, 2008
3:32 PM
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hey canspinners i thought it was you but i wasnt sure GREAT POST i sent a message to you on the other site im glad you like the car by the way its for sale!!!! did you get someone elses birds from england you got my email eh send me some picts of them & keep in touch ill see you in the spring
thanks rick
true spin
Country Creek Loft
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Canspinners
280 posts
Dec 13, 2008
3:43 PM
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Canyou email me what you are asking for the car? my son my be interested
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kopetsa
2531 posts
Dec 13, 2008
3:49 PM
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I'll trade you some Yellows for the car Rick.. LOL How old is your son John? Is he interested in the birds? or hockey? LOL
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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true spin
41 posts
Dec 13, 2008
3:59 PM
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hi don (quality) nice to meet you how long have you had birds from jay & eugene (john)yea he is having a hell of a problem with that gosshawk but the ministry said that he can trap it on his own property & they will remove it somewhere far from his place but no luck yet so did he say good things or bad things about me haha so i imagine my birds must go back to the same stuff i think i only have 2 barrett birds i am still having a problem trying to figure out how they use bobs records i know i got a lot of birds out of nest 13&7 from bobs line ill have to talk to jay so he can set me straight i am just getting back into the rollers so i hope to get some in the air in the spring & where are you in ontario im in the windsor area about 30 mins outside of windsor so keep um in the air
thanks rick
true spin
Country Creek Loft
Ontario Canada
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true spin
42 posts
Dec 13, 2008
4:01 PM
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hey andy is that 1 or 2 birds you want to trade me???
thanks rick
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quality
53 posts
Dec 14, 2008
6:24 AM
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When Jay went to England he got so many pairs of birds. Bob told him how to breed them. So Jay put all the pairs together & instead of remembering all the different band numbers, each pair became the nest # they were in. so nest 13 was in nest box #13, nest 7 was in nest box #7.
John's nest 7 stuff goes back to a black spangle cock I raised for him. I use individual nest boxes & John had an old cock that would not breed anymore. He asked me to try him in a individual nest box, I got 1 cock & 3 hens off him. I gave John the cock & kept the 3 hens.
I have quite a bit of 7 nest as well, goes good with 13 nest.
Got a young cock from Jay everyone thought was a homer, this bird was big, real big. I stayed him & flew him, man this bird could spin & powerful flyer & thats what he wanted to do. He would not breed, wanted to be flying. I flew him for 4 years before he would take a hen. He was a 8 & 13 nest. 8 nest is a cousin to 7 nest. I have a pile of birds going back to 8 & 13.
Nest 1,2,3,8,10,13,16 all go back to Bob Brown's black grizzle cock, who was the 1972 singles champ in England.
I've had my birds from Jay since 93. Have picked up a couple since. John's birds have been kept pure as well & I will take birds from him. I too have kept them pure but believe everyone else around have crossed them with other stuff, except maybe Frank Lyons from Sutton.
John's Barretts go back to Luke Terkalis birds. He kept them pure Barrett's. Ross Vito has pure Barrett's as well. When Barrett was dying he wanted to see Abdul so he could give him some birds out of the stock pen. Abdul plucked there tail & primary's out, put them in socks & put them under his overcoat & boarded a plane home. These birds ended up at Ross's (true story), Ross has had to give up the birds, failing health, he's 86/87 & has given them to his nephew.
I live in a small town called Schomberg 1/2 hour north of Toronto, Hwy#9 & hwy#27. Have 2 coops, my stock pen 20 x 12 at my house, my fly coop at my mothers up the road 20 x 12. I keep about 100 rollers. Have maybe 20 prisoners & fly the rest. No BOP's at the fly coop, lost 1 hen last spring, early, 1st I've lost in 6 years. Tried to fly them at my house & lost 20 in 3 days. The 2 coops are a mile apart.
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Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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Canspinners
285 posts
Dec 14, 2008
7:15 AM
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Andrew i have twins a daughter and two sons are 18 and 21 old son.
they played hockey and then stopped competiative.Their uncle played with Eric Lindros in junior and ws drafted in 1990
they like cars
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topnotch uk
41 posts
Dec 14, 2008
7:53 AM
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hi don lunau just a question on someones beharf the person you mention jay i wonder if its the same jay that sends pigeon magazines to a old friend and a christmas card the man in question is a old pigeon flyer name of TOM DILKS only i rember him telling me the name jay . in the last 2 weeks. yours in sport (ken)
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quality
54 posts
Dec 14, 2008
8:15 AM
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Jay does send magazines & Xmas cards back, I do know that, there is 1 gentleman he talks to on the phone. Jay is the most knowledgable guy I know when it comes to the English stuff, especially Bob Brown stuff.
Between Jay & Luke Terkalis (rip) & Ross Vito, Luke was & Ross are experts on Bill Barrett's birds. Also learned alot from Ron Kumero of Buffalo area USA & Joe Marlett USA.
George Mason was at my loft when I first started out flying in the World Fly, beleive it was 95 or 96.
I really like the Bob Brown stuff, it's a little larger than most birds.
Bill's are alot smaller in most cases, but through a larger bird once in a while, figure it's Bob's blood showing up.
The crosses between the 2 familys are some of my best birds.
Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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topnotch uk
42 posts
Dec 16, 2008
3:54 AM
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ok don thanks 4 your information goodluck.4 2009 don & have a happy (chrismas & a happy new year to you and i would like to wish all the rollermen & there. families a happy xmas & a new year on the forum yours in sport ken
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spinner ball
38 posts
Dec 16, 2008
6:05 AM
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Is there a great flyer now like we had back in the day like Pensom Smith Barrett Brown Palona who is it know???
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quality
56 posts
Dec 16, 2008
3:45 PM
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In Toronto, Ontario, Canada, We have Jay Lucarelli &
Ross Vito. Jays just abot 80 & Ross just about 90, both had pigeons from around age 10.
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Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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Shadow
311 posts
Dec 17, 2008
12:41 AM
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Had the pleasure of being present in Bobs garden one Sunday evening,around 1980 when he flew what to me were the greatest working kit of old bird rollers I have ever seen,23 in total,and its fair to say they rolled non stop for approx 45 Min's,all with depth and most with good velocity,still recall that exhibition quite clearly in my minds eye,Bob along with his brother Jess was to pay many visits to us during the following years,often with Bill Barrett,John Lenihan,and on one occasion George Mason,being fond of a tipple his stays were always enjoyable,and his duets in his lovely singing voice with his brother Jess,always songs from "The Pirates of Penzance" were equally enjoyed by us,great roller men,great company,great times,and much laughter,like the occasion we brought himself Jess and Bill to a rural pub,who specialized in serving the Irish Delicacy of "Crubeens" boiled pigs feet and cabbage,always eaten from the hand,to watch those three trying to eat these with a knife and fork was absolutely hilarious,there were bones and bits of crubeens whizzing round like scud missiles,Bobs bottom lip ended up stuck to his moustache,tears of laughter falling down our faces, can vividly still see his face as we had brought him outside the pub to a rain barrel to wash his face,and his plummy English tones,arms akimbo,"Donny what have you f**king done to me,what have I eaten"great memories of very nice genuine people.
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spinner ball
39 posts
Dec 17, 2008
5:06 AM
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I never heard or Ross or Jay did they ever do any thing in the world fly?
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