ezeedad
815 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:02 PM
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For the newer roller breeders......
Once upon a time, there were "dual purpose" rollers which were supposed to be bred both for the show pen and the air. They had pedigrees going back to Birmingham's finest. They were winning at roller shows.
They were not being flown and were even being "enhanced" by blood of other breeds. Finally the flying rollermen got tired of what was happening at the shows and kicked the show rollers to the curb... They became a seperate breed.
Here are some pictures of champion Show rollers as they are today.
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Steve_uk
992 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:09 PM
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They look worse everytime i see them they looking more like modenas all the time were will it end and who keeps changing the standard?
Ste...
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kopetsa
1929 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:20 PM
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I was just going to ask a question about his.. lol But instead I want to see some show Birmingham rollers??
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Andrew C.
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kopetsa
1930 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:21 PM
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Nice show rollers!
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Andrew C.
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Steve_uk
996 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:24 PM
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How can they even use the term roller with these things?
Ste...
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kopetsa
1932 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:30 PM
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Steve show rollers can roll once.. The odd one can. Well flip, not roll.
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Andrew C.
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Armand
13 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:31 PM
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they still roll just on the floor.
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kopetsa
1933 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:32 PM
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Andrew C.
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kopetsa
1934 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:33 PM
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No they roll in the air..
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Andrew C.
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Armand
14 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:37 PM
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i no lol 2 years ago i bought a pair from ron.they were nice enough but i decided they werent for me
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kopetsa
1936 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:39 PM
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I know you know! lol Yeah I don't mind show rollers.. I would rather have my Birmies.. :D Of course I would still have show rollers I guess.. why not
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Andrew C.
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3757
981 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:41 PM
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Paul - Great post. They were crossed heavily with modena's. I for the life of me cannot figure out why anyone would want to cross the precious Birmingham roller but this is just my opinion.
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Armand
15 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:50 PM
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no reason not to. if u hav the space enjoy.
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Spin City USA
96 posts
Oct 22, 2008
12:53 PM
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I find it sad to look at them,how are they supposed to roll,let alone spin? That is like entering a draft horse in the Kentucky Derby. I think it is sad to take a performing artist and breed it for anything less than performance.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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PR_rollers
1793 posts
Oct 22, 2008
5:38 PM
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Not for nothing but those birds look fat and like they suffering to me..The only one who is not suffering is the one who is winning with them..
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Ralph
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rollernewbie
133 posts
Oct 22, 2008
7:42 PM
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dang..those look like midget versions of Modenas..lol..jk
but they do look nice..just for the looks..
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RollerNewbie
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Santandercol
3262 posts
Oct 22, 2008
8:15 PM
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Those birds pictured probably can't fly let alone roll.Poor things.How can they even call them rollers anymore?
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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ezeedad
816 posts
Oct 22, 2008
8:49 PM
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Quickspin,
Thanks so much for that excellent article. It was like having a three course meal... It helps to remind me why I have always tried to follow Pensom's teachings...
Paul G
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quickspin
867 posts
Oct 23, 2008
3:24 PM
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Guys
It's very difficult to breed quality rollers having good rollers to start with and what you call true Birmingham Rollers not just normal rollers that tumble 20 feet. I have gone to many houses and many have good rollers but many also have tumblers which they confuse with rollers. Or roll downs which they think are there best ones and they stock those and prize to the highest. When I was a young kid I started with color rollers and Tumblers, parlors but ones you see a true Birmingham Roller wow. Everything else seems nothing compare to it and the only thing on mine is breeding more of those special birds.
I like color rollers but birmingham colors that were already in the blood. I don't breed for color as it's hard as it's already. There are so many nice colors in rollers that you don't need to make new ones or introduce other breeds to make them different. Why fix something that it's not broken. There are Grizzles, Reds, Whites, Checks, Mottles, Lavenders, Blue and many more colors that are nice that roll to the highest quality.
A Pigeon that rolls is not what matters that is just one step. Many think that because it rolls 50-300 feet is a stock bird if it was that easy. We need a pigeon that is smart, is strong, has control, good body type, has hearth, good character, good speed, good style of roll, exit the roll correctly and enters the roll correctly. No wing change in between the start and finish of the roll and much more. Now what would happened if I put a Cream bar in a bird that has everything I like but is a blue check self and I don't like Blue checks self and I like Cream birds? I will start all over again fixing step by step and this doesn't take 1-3 years it takes a long time and knowing what to do now for the ones that don't even have a clue one what a true Birmingham Roller suppose to roll will never be able to get one.
I'm not pointing fingers at no one, I'm just disappointed with this that many put there hard time to make them roll to the highest standard and some want them to look pretty.
Look at the picture bellow that is how a roller is suppose to roll.
SALAS LOFT
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2008 3:25 PM
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rolleronnie
15 posts
May 10, 2009
12:25 AM
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Gee.. they look so lazy. They should re-name them flippers because they would never roll like a true Birmingham Roller.
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Ronnie.
Last Edited by on May 10, 2009 4:47 AM
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fransrollers
32 posts
May 10, 2009
4:39 AM
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hey rolleronnie you should not use your club name for you personal opinon. fran
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rolleronnie
17 posts
May 10, 2009
4:46 AM
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Thanks Fran... point taken.
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wilded
1 post
May 10, 2009
8:32 AM
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It is no different than what the show people have done to all the major bird dog breeds. When looking for or breeding English Springer Spaniels on must insert Field Breed in order to even get a dog that has hunting and retrieving instinct. The show breds have lost most of the field traits along with gaining other traits like Rage. I can remember when you took show rollers right out of the performance loft but no longer.
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Velo99
2119 posts
May 10, 2009
10:38 AM
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There is a performing class here for birds you pull off the perch and feed up for a few days before you take em to show.
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Hector Coya
483 posts
May 10, 2009
10:53 AM
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Why are they even called rollers?
That so sad,what people have done to change the breed to the point that they dont do what the breed was bred for.and thats roll.
Hector Coya
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