fresnobirdman
169 posts
Oct 23, 2008
6:06 PM
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hellow,
i have a question,
would you guys consider this a roll down?
there's a big big tree in my back yard, i thnk its about say,,, 50 foot tall, maybe more. but my bird was flying say 20 foot higher than that tree, and it rolled all the way and hit the middle of the tree and just stayed there till my kit came down.
would you guys cull this bird?
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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TT
72 posts
Oct 23, 2008
6:08 PM
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I wouldnt go and cull it because it hit a tree,
20' above the tree and say 25' in the tree,
Man you just might have a 45' spinner,lol
give him another try.
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Tony.
Calgary, AB
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PR_rollers
1802 posts
Oct 23, 2008
6:09 PM
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No I had birds roll hit a tree or crash right into it and stay there ..it could be hurt scare dizzy all I know it didn't repeat it mistakes are forgiven but repeated offenders. I take no prisoners...
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Ralph
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rockx.559
134 posts
Oct 23, 2008
6:12 PM
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damn that must hurt the bird...but I bred this roller that was doing fine for the first 6 months of flying until one day it rolls all the way down...you seen the longer wire poles ...from the wires to the grass...umm lock it down for a while...before it kills or break itself...
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fresnobirdman
170 posts
Oct 23, 2008
6:42 PM
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so should i breed it?
should i fly it some more?
its 6 months old.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2008 6:43 PM
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mr.b.j
50 posts
Oct 23, 2008
6:48 PM
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thats a good bird but he didnt kno he was bout 2 hit a tree ........ he would of went another way dont u think ?????? he stayed in the tree cuz he was daised, he had 2 recollect hamself u kno ........
i think u gotta good 1.
what if the tree wasnt there ?
how far down u think he would of rolled is the question ?
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dave
402 posts
Oct 23, 2008
7:43 PM
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Fresno,
That's not a true rolldown. It's still a young bird and probably just made a mistake. If you can still fly then fly it out but if you really like it then breed from it. It's your call.
Dave
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rollernewbie
136 posts
Oct 23, 2008
8:20 PM
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for me i would consider a bird a rolldown when it actually hits the ground....but that one u got there must be still learning..and need more air time..? but sounds like a good roller...to stock if it reaches ur expectations..
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RollerNewbie
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fresnobirdman
171 posts
Oct 23, 2008
8:21 PM
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o yea,
this little guy meets my every expectations.
from frequency to depth bird this bird rolls like 3 times per min, sometimes maybe more
but this birdy cant keep up with the kit cause it rolls too much. is that a problem too?
~~Fresnobirdman~~
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2008 8:25 PM
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tomas'commerce,ca.
27 posts
Oct 23, 2008
8:54 PM
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i would fly that bird a little longer ,but i would keep an eye on it in case it gets injured or lost,as for it rolling frequently and not keeping up with the kit,i have 4 birds that are very frequent and they cant keep up with the kit,so i'm starting a kit just for them the frequent roller kit.hopefully they will keep up with each other.
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2008 8:56 PM
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TheGame
264 posts
Oct 23, 2008
8:55 PM
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Yea give it some time man.
I hate how some people just rush into culling their birds.
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PR_rollers
1804 posts
Oct 23, 2008
10:00 PM
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Give it time not just in culling but in breeding too,If you can't wait that is ..I like to judge a bird for at least a year or two..I wait for after its first molt then you will see what its really made of..get an idea more or less..but its your call good luck..
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Ralph
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Santandercol
3272 posts
Oct 23, 2008
10:07 PM
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Lack of control there and I betcha the odds are more than 90% chance it will pass the trait on if you breed it.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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gabe454
1305 posts
Oct 23, 2008
10:26 PM
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Hey fresno dont listen to that,the bird is young lack of control i had a couple like that the truned out great!
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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kopetsa
1960 posts
Oct 23, 2008
10:39 PM
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Hey I would never that cull that poor bird.. You should keep him and let him fly! :) good luck!
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Andrew C.
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quickspin
868 posts
Oct 23, 2008
10:39 PM
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Fresno,
There are too many things to consider before stocking a bird. Not just roll, frequency and depth. The best thing to do is for you to visit other guys arond your area and compare there birds with yours.
Many guys don't stock a bird in till it has flown for 1-2 years. A nice rule to have is if you stock a bird it has to replace another bird in the stock pen or else why do it. Just by reading what you said that the bird rolls 3 times a minute and can't keep up with that kit is a fault. 6 months is not much time but it should keep up with the kit already. keep flying the bird don't even consider him as a stock bird.
What wing position does that bird roll?
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SALAS LOFT
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George R.
1098 posts
Oct 23, 2008
10:41 PM
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Fres
Do you want to move your loft Forward ?
If you do continue Flying the Bird and see what he is made of ( I like my stock Birds to be made of Hickory)
If he is spinning Hard you should not be flying him everyday. And make sure he has plenty of Food since he is a hard worker.
You as the trainer are responsible for his evaluation. You see him and know him better then anyone on this Board.
good luck and remember never make excuses for a Bird the good ones dont need it.
The novice
George
Last Edited by on Oct 23, 2008 10:43 PM
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gabe454
1306 posts
Oct 23, 2008
10:42 PM
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Well said george i agree
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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maxspin
289 posts
Oct 24, 2008
6:56 AM
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Fresno,
The fact that this bird does not keep up with the kit is a potential fault that would keep it out of the stock loft. This is still a young bird and I would not cull it at this point.
You need to be starting a second kit for "older" young birds that you only fly every other day. Start treating them more like an old bird team.
As a new flyer you do need to make stock decisions sooner than you would if more established.
Remember best to best, and balance what you have seen in the air. If you decide to stock this bird, do not breed it to another bird that is over frequent and has trouble getting back to the kit. Look for a potential mate that has excellent style, but may have a little too much stability.
Take good notes about this bird. If you are seeing young from this bird displaying the same kitting issues pull it back out of the breeder loft.
Have fun with them
Keith Maxwell
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PR_rollers
1809 posts
Oct 24, 2008
11:09 AM
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fresno you got very good advise from these guys Quickspin ,George and maxspin..take time to study what they said because it would take you a step forward..and one more thing you can breed a bird but he isn't a stock bird until he can produce the goods... so for now I might have breeders but not stock birds until they can prove what they put out with their youngsters.. than they will become stock birds..
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Ralph
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Windjammer Loft
449 posts
Oct 25, 2008
9:00 AM
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fresnobirdman..., I would say NO it's not a rolldown. It could be that this particular bird needs more height for its roll. How young is this bird?? I would keep an eye on this one and see if it happens again. If so, I would rest it for a week or so and fly him again. Let us know what the out come is??
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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JDA
63 posts
Oct 25, 2008
10:29 AM
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Hold and toss the bird up after releasing kit.If it still comes down and hits things then off with its head.
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fresnobirdman
179 posts
Oct 25, 2008
10:47 AM
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this birds about six months, maybe a couple weeks too,
he dosent roll down when you throw him in the air, he flips like 2,3 flips low, but rolls when hes high.
i been flying him for 2 days now and he just got shallower.
not too deep and more.
i think he got scared to roll when hes low after he hit that tree.
i'll fly him some more till he can control himself.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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xueher
33 posts
Oct 25, 2008
11:24 AM
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About how high do you want your roller to roll? When they are low they flip that means they got brains if they roll while being so low down there is a chance their brain might be somewhere else. I think your not pateint. Give it some time like months not weeks ok. You got to learn Its like ur asking the same question over and over again. Time is a true factor in this sport.
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2008 6:04 PM
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fhtfire
1595 posts
Oct 25, 2008
11:50 AM
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If it is a young bird..that happens....plus...you are not even looking at the stock loft with a young bird. The birds will go through so many stages of development. I mean when your kid is learning to walk and falls down are you going to say this kid will never be a track star....get my point....some birds will learn from there mistakes...and to be honest....most of my top breeders of my flashover strain...bumped when they were young...some did a couple times when
they were young...but at 14-18 months old and a bird is bumping alot
..it is unstable and is a cull...if it rolls down everytime you fly...it is a cull...Remember...have you must have
your young bird hat on when you fly your young birds..and have your old bird hat on when you fly your old bird....have you coach hat on when you are putting a team together....and have a Brown Nose hat on with flowers in hand when the wife says your spending to much time with your birds....you cull a young bird for a mistake....you should put on the Dunce hat and sit in the corner!
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Oct 25, 2008 11:54 AM
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Windjammer Loft
452 posts
Oct 26, 2008
5:21 PM
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Paul.........that has to be one of the clearist explanations that I've read in here in a long time. I couldn't have said it any better.....lol. Seems lately that some of the newbies need to learn to practice more PATIENCE.....
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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fresnobirdman
184 posts
Oct 26, 2008
6:32 PM
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thanks guys.
im still flying it.
see how its gonna do for the next couple of months.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
16 posts
Oct 26, 2008
7:24 PM
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I have a bird that rolled maybe 50 feet , hit my patio cover ,roll off that hit the ground and flew back up and kept spinning about 30 to 50 or more, thing is a hawk made them fly higher and i still fly him to see if he will roll down again. He is about 6 months and that was about a week ago and hes still flying ...But every now and then when he starts to land ..maybe two or three feet from the roof and he bump , its like he gets nervous or something ? Is this a roll down ? THANKS... STUDENT 2 THE GAME
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2008 7:25 PM
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brudahpete
10 posts
Oct 26, 2008
7:42 PM
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Don't under estimate these birds, they get shell-shocked just like anyone else. A roll down happening in your kit is a serious thing but not the end of the world. I agree with the PATIENCE bunch.
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2008 7:43 PM
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fresnobirdman
186 posts
Oct 26, 2008
9:22 PM
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mine hit the tree once and its only flping now that it came low.
its like it got scared.
and brudahpete, i dont get it your "Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline...."
whats that suppose to mean?
~~Fresnobirdman~~
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2008 9:24 PM
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PR_rollers
1831 posts
Oct 26, 2008
9:39 PM
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If you don't want your birds shitting on your clothes or banking on them clothe lines you better take heed on that statement/..:)
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Ralph
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brudahpete
18 posts
Oct 26, 2008
10:02 PM
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Trust me, just get married and see how long your wife's patience will hold out!
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
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