TT
79 posts
Oct 25, 2008
6:24 PM
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I need to get this out of my head, Lol
yesterday i went to a somebodies loft and seen what he had,
just a visit,
Anyways i was walking around and noticed how much poo in the loft he had, I didnt say anything but he peep up and told me what i see (all the droppings) is a good thing in the loft while breeding, Commented on how the massive droppings create a tougher immune system for the new borns,
Man is this true, I didt know what to believe, When you have this guy who sells Meds and tells me this.
To myself i was like WHAT
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Tony.
Calgary, AB
Last Edited by on Oct 25, 2008 6:25 PM
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Santandercol
3284 posts
Oct 25, 2008
6:39 PM
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Many folks raise birds in perfecly healthy conditions with what is call deep loft litter.If you scrape the floor and break it up so it can dry it works good.keeps dust factor down.Big squab farms that is all they use and they raise thousands of birds every year.I know lots of roller guys that have deep loft litter and nothing else on there floors.Just a matter of preferance that's all with small operations but with big lofts or lots of birds it is quite practical.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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jnyce
342 posts
Oct 25, 2008
6:44 PM
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I went to these one guy loft he had over 300 birds he has not cleaned his loft in seven years he has not flown his birds just as long he has tipplers that is one filthy loft his birds look healthy but im not a veternarian
jerry t
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BA Rollers
93 posts
Oct 25, 2008
7:23 PM
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Tony, yes it is true to a large degree. If you can keep the litter dry it does help to fortify the immune system by allowing the birds to interact with natural bacteria. Remember there is good and bad bacteria. The key is dry. If you live in a humid climate where the crap can't dry out quickly, then it isn't such a good idea. I live in a very arid climate and I have slowly migrated to the concept of only cleaning out the bedding of my lofts twice a year at most. I used to do it monthly, down to the bare wood. Since I've let the chips build up to a couple of inches and it stays dry, no sickness. In the old days before lactobacillus and other forms of supplemental good bacteria, it was common for keen fanciers with a healthy loft to put a few dried crap chips in the water for a day to help recycle the naturally occuring good bacteria in our birds.
I had a friend in our show club who lived in an upscale neighborhood. Being retired and an anal freak about cleanliness, he build all of his perches and horizontal places in the loft out of thick plastic which he would then spray with santitizer and wipe clean every day. I swear there were times I was there and you didn't see any crap on any perch or anywhere, and when a bird would crap, he would wipe it up. The result was he had a wide spread fertility problem as well as continual odd ailments in his birds.
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Canspinners
227 posts
Oct 25, 2008
7:31 PM
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It is true i read some where that as the sh-t bulds it develops as manure...in it are alot of good organisims that grow . If a bird gets sick and sh-ts it will fall 0n the deep litter as kel states . All the good organisms eate the bad ones dropped.
A friend of ours had the cleanest coop always ...one breeding season we walk in and the floors are about a few inches thick of pooh..this is true he had one of the best breeding seasons ever and the birds were healthy
You Know my parent were farmers and they use t hear storys of how if peope were really sick they use to take them and bury them up to their necks in the manure pile the eventually got better (some times too clean... is not too good for pigeons .
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TT
80 posts
Oct 25, 2008
7:56 PM
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Very Interesting, Thanks for the input guys.
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Tony.
Calgary, AB
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TheGame
267 posts
Oct 25, 2008
7:57 PM
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Yea a friend showed me an article that he got from the NBRC that stated how roller men back in the days would only clean out their lofts about once a year.
But anyways TT you better enjoy that loft while its still nice and clean -_-
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kopetsa
1972 posts
Oct 25, 2008
9:44 PM
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How do you keep the birds feet clean?
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Andrew C.
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PR_rollers
1819 posts
Oct 25, 2008
9:51 PM
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Shoe Shine Drew.. show shine,,,lol
All i know I'm a clean freak and i never had birds go sick on me .pox once .birds are always healthy Thank God for that...
----------cleanness,exercise,clean water and feed,vitamins /they do ok..maybe cause i keep a small quantity.who knows..
Ralph
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TT
81 posts
Oct 25, 2008
9:53 PM
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Kop's
either with hands, or a bath once a week.
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Tony.
Calgary, AB
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kopetsa
1974 posts
Oct 25, 2008
9:55 PM
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Same here Ralph.. I have never had one of my own birds sick since I have gotten pigeon in my whole life.. I give 'em vits. and clean water every day.. The water is a pain in the anus though.. lol I clean the lofts every weekend.. I once got a bird form another 'reputable' breeder and it had canker.. >: It was shipped to me, good thang I kept them seperate.. Also every winter there might* be an odd chill/cold that I can get rid of in 2 days. But it is kind of hard not to get once up here.. in the freezing. :)
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Andrew C.
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kopetsa
1975 posts
Oct 25, 2008
9:56 PM
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Yep TT I bath a lot and with my hand I take it off.. lol It don't bother me..
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Andrew C.
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PR_rollers
1821 posts
Oct 25, 2008
10:04 PM
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Now my kitboxes I scrape everyday no missing on that.its a habit for me while they eat I scrape.. watering once you get use to it its like second nature so its no big deal.
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Ralph
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gotspin7
1998 posts
Oct 26, 2008
5:40 AM
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I keep it clean, I clean them once a month. Good info.
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Sal Ortiz
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Oldfart
858 posts
Oct 26, 2008
2:44 PM
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My wife says I'm a little O.C.D.! I clean each and everyday. I scrape perchs twice a week in all pens or kit box's, I use play sand in the loft and kit box for flooring cover. I sift this on a rotating basis so each kit box and brood loft is cleaned twice a week. I have had no sick birds. All are strong and healthy! I am very diligent about fresh clean water, I use A.C.V. and vitimans and electrolites daily, and garlic every other week.
Thom
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brudahpete
14 posts
Oct 26, 2008
8:02 PM
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If you look at the way pigeons were kept in Europe for centuries, you would realize that they do well in pretty crappy environments. As long as your birds have clean water and good feed they do very well. Just don't have perches where they can crap on each other!
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2008 8:18 PM
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RXR Loft
306 posts
Oct 26, 2008
8:49 PM
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I also clean well once a month. I scrape & dump the kit box tray every two weeks, also squirt the white vinegar a round also.
I like it clean and so do the birds I have not had any type of illnesses (thank GOD)
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RxR Loft
Roll'em if you got'em...
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PR_rollers
1828 posts
Oct 26, 2008
8:52 PM
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And I pray you never do Rudy..peace..
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2008 8:52 PM
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Santandercol
3294 posts
Oct 26, 2008
9:19 PM
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I want one of them Dovecotes!!!3 stories high!
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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gabe454
1309 posts
Oct 26, 2008
10:12 PM
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Nothing wrong if its dry,worry about it when its wet or moist bro.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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brudahpete
19 posts
Oct 26, 2008
10:20 PM
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Absolutly right. Wet is a breeding grounds for bad bacteria. Dry is ok and after awhile makes great fertilizer!
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Rule #1: Don't build your loft anywhere near your wife's clothesline....
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KiddenAround
188 posts
Oct 27, 2008
6:07 AM
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Great post -- I laughed and laughed when I first saw the title, but this is good info!
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-- Laura
Professional Thrill Seeker
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bigwilly
733 posts
Oct 27, 2008
6:47 AM
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I agrre Gabe. Keep it dry and you will be ok
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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