ezeedad
821 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:06 PM
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Pensom's book, The Birmingham Roller Pigeon was first printed in November of 1958. This book is the "Bible" of the breed, and it needs to read, and studied by the serious breeder of the Birmingham Roller. It contains undiluted information that can be of great value in preserving the highest qualities of our breed.
Paul Gomez
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brudahpete
64 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:11 PM
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Thanks, Amazon has 2 copies at around $40. Might be worth the investment when you consider him to be the best authority on these birds.
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Alohazona
467 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:14 PM
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Paul,
Could you contact me,I need your insight on a new project of mine....Aloha,Todd aloharoller@yahoo.com
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PR_rollers
1860 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:24 PM
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Brudahpete for that price you can get 5 copies here..check out under> buy pigeon products,,,,...you can't beat that with a sledgehammer.price is great..all you new guys that don't have a copy of The Birmingham Roller pigeon by Wm.H.Pensom.get yourself one before sell is gone..
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Ralph
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brudahpete
68 posts
Nov 02, 2008
4:25 PM
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Thanks man
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Ballrollers
1574 posts
Nov 02, 2008
5:54 PM
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Do you really think so, Paul? I mean I have the greatest respect for the man and his accomplishements, but as far as a practical "How to..." book on rollers, I think this book fails miserably. It's chocked full of contradictions and vague esoteric rhetoric that most of us cannnot really make any sense out of, as far as the everyday breeding and flying of rollers. And so much of it seems to have been dis-proved in modern times. It seems that I've gotten much more practical advice, as well as the benefit of the experince of veterans in the sport with their rollers...just standing under their kits and handling birds afterwards. Oh, I think every roller man ought to read Pensom's book, but it's more like nostalgia and reverence for the work the man did than anything else, for me.
JMHO,
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 02, 2008 5:54 PM
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yang501424
176 posts
Nov 02, 2008
6:30 PM
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I think no one will be able to write about "how to" that will fit or work out for everyone. There is just to much. No matter what your name is and who you are you will always be learning.
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Good Game Loft
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Fireball
3 posts
Nov 02, 2008
6:32 PM
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Cliff..Amen..I have Acrobats of the Air..and I like to read the articles..but as far as having good info for breeding, flying, health..etc..not too much there. I have a healthy library (rollers) and a prolific reader..Not much new going on today..much just echos of the past. But I still read hopeing to find something new. Bruce
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JDA
70 posts
Nov 02, 2008
7:16 PM
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Cliff, Pensom ate pigeons also!!!!!! no wonder you have to put down his book. Sad
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
2216 posts
Nov 03, 2008
1:50 AM
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Happy 50th anniversary ...Pensom Book............
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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3757
1000 posts
Nov 03, 2008
3:00 AM
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Prior to Bill Pensom coming to America and the importations of the Pensom roller the Americans were flying rollers for hours like tipplers with a bird performing once and a while. It was Bill Pensom who showed them how to fly Birmingham rollers both traditional style and simultaneous performance. Even as late 1959 he was trying to teach them about simultaneous performance and even brought some English competition rollers here to show the Americans a lesson. He was so far ahead of his time and the majority of the principles adopted today in the largest club in America are from his diligence along with his followers. How can the student now bash the teacher? In the academic world we know that our predecessors during their time made mistakes but we have built our foundation on them and people after us will build were we left off? He was and always will be the greatest contributor to what we have today in America. There is no doubt about it and he deserves the utmost respect for his contributions. We know that General Patton made mistakes and Generals today would have done some things differently but the Generals of the past have led us where we are today! May the lord Bless his soul and thank you Bill for the wonderful things you have done!
Paul - Great post!!!
Last Edited by on Nov 03, 2008 3:08 AM
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ezeedad
822 posts
Nov 03, 2008
8:49 AM
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Cliff,
I really believe that Pensom's book has had a bigger impact on roller breeders than any other book. In fact, probably those later books were written by rollermen who had learned much of what they knew from Pensom. But it is only natural that later things are built on the foundation that were laid before them.
Pensom defined the breed and emphasized the difficulty of producing rollers that perform to his description.
He was not writing a "how to" style book, or a "Rollers for Duimmies" type book.
Later writers were filling in areas that he didn't cover or wasn't interested in including.
Someone can always find fault, but there are far too many roller breeders who have ignored his advice.
As far as I'm concerned, Pensom's book has been a towering success and it is probably more relevant now than it was the day it was published.
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ezeedad
823 posts
Nov 03, 2008
8:58 AM
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LaRon,
I just read your post after responding to Cliff. We are very much in agreement...
The thought just crossed my mind, that it is very possible that if it were not for Pensom, the Birmingham Roller as he described it might be extinct today.
Paul G
PS... What a great post 1000 too..!! Thanks Todd for noticing...
Last Edited by on Nov 03, 2008 9:33 AM
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Alohazona
468 posts
Nov 03, 2008
9:07 AM
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Dr L.D.and Paul,
It's gentlemen such as yourselves that make comming to this site while for me!Dr.L.D.,it's only fitting that your 1000 post was backing up the Great Rollerman,Bill Pensom...Aloha,Todd
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ezeedad
825 posts
Nov 03, 2008
9:28 AM
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Pensom and Trophys
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ezeedad
826 posts
Nov 03, 2008
9:32 AM
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Todd,
I read your comment on the LARC site. I would be glad to help you any way I can. Thank you for your last post too. You are one of the nicest guys on this site.. Must have something to do with living in such a mellow place as Hawaii.
Paul
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JDA
72 posts
Nov 03, 2008
9:41 AM
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ezeedad Right on,great post ( :
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Ballrollers
1576 posts
Nov 03, 2008
12:01 PM
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Paul,LaRon,List,
I was, by no means, bashing the man or the book. His contribution to the hobby is immense. Good post LaRon and Paul, and I agree with what you each said, looking at it from that perspective. As you said, Paul, I was sorta looking at it strictly from the perspective of a "How to..." book. It is probably more relavant to a guy who has already learned the basics than to somebody looking for basic nuts and bolts.
Cliff
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3757
1004 posts
Nov 03, 2008
12:56 PM
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Aloha Todd / Ezeedad - Thank you so much for the compliment!
All - Thanks for all of your compliments and I hope the next 1000 will be just as helpful
Thanks Again!
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