Ballrollers
1578 posts
Nov 04, 2008
7:15 AM
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As I was feeding my stock loft cocks and hens this morning at 5:30 AM, I wanted to handle and compare a couple of cocks and hens, I was thinking of pairing. I couldn't find them....and with a sinking feeliing in the pit of my stomach, I realized that someone has stolen some of stock birds. Some of my comp kit has also been missing. I'll have to take an inventory tonight to see just how bad it is. The ones that I noticed so far are 05 birds out of my A-kit that I bred and flew out for three years and pulled for stock....MY stock! As if it's not tough enough to fly out a bird for three years with hawks and overflys and accidents....and now this. Man that hurts. The SOBs must be roller men because they only cherry-picked and didn't grab everything. I suppose I was a prime target.....been winning my region....gone away on a lot of weekends judging birds and at the convention, etc. Man this sucks....
Cliff
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nicksiders
3168 posts
Nov 04, 2008
7:23 AM
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Damn, Cliff that is not good news. Had to be somebody who knew of you and probably was at your home before. Somebody who has grinned in your face.
Your home is not necessarilly on the beaten path.
It will never be the same for you; I know first hand about that sinking feeling.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
1879 posts
Nov 04, 2008
7:40 AM
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Sorry to hear that Cliff.Nick is right it will never be the same for you, I had been rob of my birds in the South Bronx many times.my apartment rob a few times .me mug 4 times as a kid growing up.it change me totally...but thank God I still have a giving heart..but it has scars... hope you get them back somehow..good luck..
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Nov 04, 2008 7:41 AM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2223 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:08 AM
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That sucks cliff, hope u get some leads on the scum bag..
or scum bags...
Like nick posted had to be somebody prior somebody that knew your birds and where they were located etc....
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2224 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:21 AM
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PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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maxspin
301 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:28 AM
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Sorry to hear that Cliff,
That sucks!
I hope you have enough stock to make this only a small step back.
Keith Maxwell
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mario
GOLD MEMBER
206 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:29 AM
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Very sorry to hear something like this,.....they are very loosers to do something like this ,but im shore they know you very good to pick the good ones ,i hope you cath them and call the police after you kick their ass ............Mario
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kcfirl
510 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:37 AM
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I am sorry to hear that Cliff. I think it would happen the same way with me. Almost a feeling of disbelief at first, with a slowly rising feeling of nausea I bet.
Terrible. Good luck finding your birds and getting them back.
Ken
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pat66
217 posts
Nov 04, 2008
11:39 AM
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Cliff,
My loft has cameras and DVR at a cost of less than 400.00 bucks,alot at first but if it ever happens at least I know who it was,just some food for thought,sorry about the theif finding his way to your house,as they say keep your enemys close and your friends closer! sounds like someone knew your setup AND birds!
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Pat
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kopetsa
2088 posts
Nov 04, 2008
11:43 AM
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Sorry about the losses Cliff.. I hope those stupid ^%^% er/s get caught! >: I hate people like that!
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Andrew C.
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J_Star
1769 posts
Nov 04, 2008
11:53 AM
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Sorry to hear that Cliff. It is a terrible thing. However, think in time a month back and picture who was in your backyard. Who was asking questions about certain birds and kits and which are the best ones in the kits and the breeders? You will minimize your suspicion to a hand full of members you count on one hand. Then go visit them unannounced and check out their backyard and lofts as they have to yours. Use the story that you happened to be in the neighborhood and stopped by to talk pigeons. The one who resist showing his birds or taking you to his back yard is your man.
Jay
Last Edited by on Nov 04, 2008 11:54 AM
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turkey buzzard
83 posts
Nov 04, 2008
12:31 PM
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Did you check at Chucks house!!!!!!! Sorry to hear it maybe you could post the band numbers and colors so people in the area can be watching for them.
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chuck
18 posts
Nov 04, 2008
6:18 PM
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Hey, Watch it You old Fart.I'll pull that XXXXXXXlarge hat
down over Your shoulders for Ya !!! LOL. Yea, it's a shame,
they're worthless SOB's out there that will steal someones Birds. Hell, Cliff would give almost anyone Birds. If the SOB bothers anymore of the N.C. roller Men, Sorry about their luck. We are watching, Lots of Guns, cameras, and I
just got a large Dog. Watch it you F#%cking lowlife Pigeon thief!!!!!!!!!!
PS; Not You, Ya Turkey Buzzard.
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fresnobirdman
200 posts
Nov 04, 2008
6:24 PM
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man..
i know how that feels man,
i experienced it 2 times already.
theres no way of gettin them back.
they could be out of town, in basements.
in places they know you'll never go.
its someone close.
even your best friend can back stab you in the back.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
Last Edited by on Nov 04, 2008 6:25 PM
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rollernewbie
197 posts
Nov 04, 2008
6:46 PM
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sorry to hear that...those fools aint got nothing but steal...they will get caught one day and take the consequences..
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RollerNewbie
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George R.
1133 posts
Nov 04, 2008
7:29 PM
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hey Cliff I am sorry to hear about your loss, I hope you find and get your Birds back.
Whoever took your Birds is a piece of garbage , There day will come ... remember what comes around goes around !!!!
George
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Ballrollers
1580 posts
Nov 04, 2008
8:15 PM
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Thanks, guys. I appreciate the support at a time like this. I am not optimistic about getting them back. Joe Bob Stuka had the same thing happen to him a couple years ago, ad he never saw his birds again...they took his two best cocks...and Clay Hoyle......they just cherry picked Joe Bob...not enough to destroy your program...just enough to hurt while they "help themselves"....but they cleaned Clay out compeltely. That tells me it is definitely a pigeon man....and that he may return for more...maybe even hoping I didn't miss them. They got 3-4 birds from eight kits including my comp kit and my two best birds, a cock and a hen from my 05 breeding season that I had flown in my comp kit three years, and stocked. So I have an American Staffordshire Bulldog on order and survellance equipment coming (in case you are reading this you sorry piece of s#&t!)
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 04, 2008 8:18 PM
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warpspeed
66 posts
Nov 04, 2008
8:22 PM
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sorry about your misfortune i had the same thing happen to me in oct of 04 they stole 80 of my kit birds so i know what you are going through. clif i dont think 1 pit will do the trick you need at least 3 dogs, hope you have some luck getting some back
abel
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Jimbo113
89 posts
Nov 04, 2008
8:36 PM
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Dang Cliff!!! That sucks big time. I hope you find out who did it and they get what's coming to them. And then after that I hope they get arrested for their theiving ways. That's just plain SORRY!!!!
Your Pard,
Jimbo
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"We Don't Rent Pigs"
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katyroller
307 posts
Nov 04, 2008
8:52 PM
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Cliff, Sorry to hear about your bad luck. These birds will be up for sale or they will be kept for stock and people will figure out where these birds came from. The sad part is that even though people will know the birds are stolen it will not stop them from turning a blind eye because the birds are of quality stock.
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smoke747
1377 posts
Nov 04, 2008
9:17 PM
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I feel for you Cliff. That's how we lost Kevin McCray. A bold as@#$%^ to just take his time and pick through them.
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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Mount Airy Lofts
797 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:10 PM
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Cliff,
Tuff break. Some one who steals another man's pigeons have to be real low lives.
What sucks even more is that is normal for us pigeon guys. Where there are pigeon guys, there are pigeon thieves.
Good luck and I hope the birds find their way back some how,
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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bigwilly
749 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:11 PM
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Its almost scary to let people come to your home. Especially on the flys. Sorry to hear about your loss Cliff
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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PAUL R.
15 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:30 PM
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Cliff,
Think back to see who had interest on the birds that are missing. Someone that you have talked to problably more than once. And, chances are, they have been looking just for the birds that were noticed by others when they rolled.
Im sure you could put a couple of people that showed much interest in them. One thing is to get hit randomly thru your loft. But when certain birds that you know were stocked & certain birds you know were spinning there butts off. Then, thats not a random theft. They came for exactly what they saw in the air.
Paul Ramirez
RCRC
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Mayo
42 posts
Nov 04, 2008
10:48 PM
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Now this is why I have never competed.. This is BS for the Man that has worked for years to build a comp kit and to stock birds for some SOB to steal.......... also when you compete there is no telling who will come to your home poze'in as a ( honest member of a club.)I trust no one around my Rollers unless I have known this Person for a many # of years and if this Person that has been to my home steals from me and I find out , there will be some Hell to pay!!!!!!!!!!So now sence this has came up with Cliffs rollers I WILL NEVER COMPETE! Sorry Cliff for this happening to you.......MaYo P.S I raise Rottweilers when I have pups you can get one.............
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fhtfire
1627 posts
Nov 05, 2008
10:04 AM
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Cliff,
Sorry for you losses...what a sick feeling it is....the camera idea is a good one....I too have a camera on my loft and it is tied right into the computer...I also have my loft tied into my home alarm system.....so everytime the door opens it will beep in my house....and then I have the dogs too.....
rock adn ROLL
Paul
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smeyer02
3 posts
Nov 05, 2008
10:12 AM
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Cliff I am so sorry that some SOB had the balls to go to your place and steal your birds. Have you talked to your neibors or anyone in the area that might have seen someone at your place while you were out of town. It has to be someone you know real well and knows your every move. If there is anything I can do please let me know. Steve Form Saxapahaw
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Ballrollers
1583 posts
Nov 05, 2008
1:00 PM
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I really appreciate the concern and support expressed by everyone. It means a lot, guys....
Cliff
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Alohazona
472 posts
Nov 05, 2008
1:14 PM
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Cliff,
Whack jobs like this will always try again.With out a doubt you have looked them right in the eye before.If they are to come again they will do it sooner rather than later...Aloha,Todd
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SiDLoVE
315 posts
Nov 05, 2008
3:13 PM
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Cliff,
Its someone you talked to or let handle the birds at that same location they came back and took them, Make a list who you talked to and go from there. Once i got robed when i lived in O.C i had a idea who it was , so i went straight into there backyard and got my birds back, This guy lived a block away. Good Luck Cliff find your birds.
djsid
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Marvin
32 posts
Nov 05, 2008
6:37 PM
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that realy sucks that some sob did you like this it seems like they know your birds. well planned to steal your birds lets keep our ears to the wall if we hear some thing will let you know so we can f### them up!!!!!!!! good luck in the future
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Marvin
33 posts
Nov 05, 2008
6:37 PM
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that realy sucks that some sob did you like this it seems like they know your birds. well planned to steal your birds lets keep our ears to the wall if we hear some thing will let you know so we can f### them up!!!!!!!! good luck in the future
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Pumpkin Man
20 posts
Nov 05, 2008
7:14 PM
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Sorry to hear that for you Cliff. Especially when you open up your home to be one of the hosts for the convention when you guys had it in 2007. I didn't know anyone when I attended that year but for those reading this you would be hard pressed to find any better hospitality than what the NC roller clubs and the flyers that opened up their lofts to host the convention that year did to entertain attendees. Leadership from people like Benny Hargraves that I believe really wanted to give guests some southern hospitality made sure along with Cliff, Jay, etc. had a great time. Ask anyone that attended they really rolled out the red carpet for everyone which is why its also hard to believe someone would do this. My guess like the other posts it has to be someone that knows you and your birds well, and which ones to get. My guess is its probably someone local or at least in your state. The only other possibility would be if you had someone feeding for you that mistakingly let birds out and didn't let them back in and something caught them. I can't imagine someone driving from out of state to steal birds. If you have the band numbers or a certain prefix or customized bands that could be recognized I would encourage you to put them on here for people to be watching for. These kinds of people are the exception not the rule in this hobby. I've never been around any group of such diverse people that get along so well as roller fanciers, it's just unfortunate there's always one that screws it up for the rest of us.
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