Square
553 posts
Nov 07, 2008
12:01 PM
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I was just conserned if the RD's, in C.A want to come togeather to put on a state fly.. I may be outta the loop, as ussual,,,LOL but ive been hering some things and just wanted to put out there im with it. I am willing to support all fly's however we ,, in my opion need somthig for the folks that are getting shalacked by the loss of birds. Ive herd of the "King of Cali Fly" and that sounds like somthing cool. I just dont want to be the lone ranger, I would really like to hear input from all, and really want to take every oppurtunity to support and reinforce the flying of rollers. This might be a hard one for alot, as there are alot of diffrences in opion, and situations that limit the participation of some flyers. But I think this is a good thing,,a Challenge not only with the rollers but the cordination of the "People". So lets here it,,!!!!!
Square.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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BA Rollers
112 posts
Nov 07, 2008
12:37 PM
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The California State Fly would be easy to breath life into once again. It has only been idle for a few years. It was well organized and can be again. If the NBRC doesn't want to change the finals fly dates, then those who want to can put their efforts into making the California State Fly bigger and better....and flown at a time of year that allows all competitors a fair chance. As we have seen this year, nearly every kit here in California judged so far has had some form of BOP problems that prohibited the best performance the kit could have given. The losses are just stupid now.
I would suggest the a resurrgance of support for the CA State Fly would provide flyers with the opportunity to fly competitively instead of evasively. I believe there are, based on WC and FF numbers, at least 125-150 active flyers in the state. Two kits each and you can do the math.
In the past the state fly was judged by the winner from the previous year. Participants were qualifiers from the FF and the WC. Since this would be/could be and alternative high-level competition I would suggest adopting the current NBRC Regions where qualifying events are flown and a finals is flown. CA makes up probably close to 1/4 to 1/3rd of the FF entries. I would believe that in the event the california state flyers decided to hell with the FF because of the times it is flown, the NBRC would experience a heavy loss of income that would normally be generated by the entry of well over 200 kits or more.
I have the trophy. I stare at it often and wonder when we will have a State Championship Fly again.
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warpspeed
67 posts
Nov 07, 2008
1:08 PM
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dont stare at it for to long it will find a new home soon
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BA Rollers
113 posts
Nov 07, 2008
1:43 PM
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pfffffttttt!
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Square
554 posts
Nov 07, 2008
2:36 PM
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Right on sounds like somthing worth partying with...LOL What ever needs to happen I will support it. I just wanna fly rollers... thats it point blank.. So lets make it happen. I think the name of it is the least of our worries we just need a fly that will allow the average "Joe" so to speak a shot to challenge/showcase his rollers. There are to many proactive people in this sport for this not to happen not to mention in Cali alone. lets not only talk about it lets be about it...LOL, Got my support
Truly, Booker.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
Last Edited by on Nov 07, 2008 2:37 PM
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fhtfire
1634 posts
Nov 07, 2008
3:48 PM
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As the Regional Director for 9B (Sacramento area)...I would say YES! and I would help out any way I can.
I am with Brian on changing the fall fly Finals dates. There is talk amongst our region to bail out of the fall fly if the dates are not changed. I know that the LA fliers would love August to Early Sept....but the Central Cali fliers would have to do Mid October to Late October.....for the finals....In AUg and Sept..we are at 90 degrees by 11am..lol...and full into the moult......so we are going to have to come up with something....as far as making it easy on the NBRC for flying the judge around...they NBRC may have to fly to California twice....or it will not work. But like Brian Said...our region alone....with just our DNF's..LOL I mean second kits.....was just about enough to cover a one way ticket from the mid west...but if you did 9B, 9H, 9F..and 9C all in mid Oct to late October...right there is you plain ticket and then some...we can shuffle him or her around with a car.
Anyway..as far as the State Fly....I would help out any way I can....so Region 9B is in....and if the dates are not changed for the finals...I feel that 9B will boycott..the chatter has already started.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Square
555 posts
Nov 07, 2008
3:58 PM
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Hay paul dont forget about 9I says me...LOL yea im with it onehundro.. let me kno this is somthing we collectively can make enjoyably...Gimme a email or call...
Square.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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Ballrollers
1586 posts
Nov 07, 2008
7:41 PM
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Why not focus your combined efforts on changing the Fall Fly, guys? You are not alone.....virtually every region is having its best birds slaughtered in an effort to participate in the Fall Fly. The time is right for necessary major modifications in our National Championship. The problem is that there is no single time that is good for all the regions with regard to hawk migrations and weather. How do you all feel about the concept of having every region choose the time of year when it is best for them to conduct their regional flys? Then the NBRC would send them the finals judge two weeks, or thirty days, or some agreed-upon time period afterward. The fly would continue all year long with progress each month from various regions posted on the NBRC website and the National Champs being announced at the end of each year. Let's hear your thoughts...
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 07, 2008 7:42 PM
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fhtfire
1635 posts
Nov 07, 2008
8:36 PM
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Cliff,
I agree 100%....let the regions pick the date of the regional fly and then follow up with a finals judge 20-30 days later.....we could do some regions in a group. Like...central cali and bay area in one shot....and the LA guys in one shot etc....I think some regions could clump together and agree on the same time....now we are talking...have the finals judge do it at different times all year long...that would be aok with me.
But you could also .....Have everyone fly the regionals on there own time...and the finals could still be done with a couple months of each other across the nation...it would just cost a little more money...but the judge would come to cali twice most likely instead of once.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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elopez
1797 posts
Nov 07, 2008
8:48 PM
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Cliff,
That sounds like a good idea. Now what steps do we have to take to make this a reality?
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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Square
556 posts
Nov 08, 2008
11:59 AM
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Right on im with elopez, we can work out the logistics however but I do need to know the route/steps we need to make it happen. Let's figere it out..and make it acceptable for everyone, I know we will never be able to please everyone that's why I say "acceptable".. As I understand and from what Ive seen it's unacceptable, loosing quality birds like this, just talking with the judge earlier this week there hasen't been that many kit's that didnt suffer a attack or loss.. Hopefully we can midigate the situation with this new fly..we already have the basis and that is a common goal...Truly
Square.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
K.C.R.C
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George R.
1139 posts
Nov 08, 2008
12:35 PM
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Cliff you made the schedule this year why didnt you get the L.A. region FIRST ????
You knew that they get sloughterd every Year. Can You please answer That....
of all the Regions they Bring in the Most Money and should always go FIRST.
George
Last Edited by on Nov 08, 2008 12:36 PM
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elopez
1798 posts
Nov 08, 2008
3:50 PM
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Thats right George, I help Spanky this year and when speaking with some people to get them to fly in the Fall Fly, I had a bunch of people telling me that they didn't want to fly because they are getting hit really bad. Also to show how bad it was, only one of the actual 4 qualifiers ended up flying. The rest pulled out because they lost most of the kits to the hawks, and this one qualifier is not flying next season unless the fly times change.
I have also heard about a Boycott from the Cali flyers, now that’s around 125-200 kits. LA region could have around 50+ kits at a better fly time.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
http://lopezloft22.bravehost.com/
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gabe454
1336 posts
Nov 08, 2008
6:42 PM
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I agree efren 100% if they dont change this around im not flying either next year.
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TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
Last Edited by on Nov 08, 2008 6:43 PM
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Ballrollers
1587 posts
Nov 08, 2008
7:37 PM
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Thanks for your support, Paul. I'm gong to try to get something up in front of the NBRC EC, guys, after the fly is over. I'll be counting on your support. Let the EC members know just how bad you have it. George, I have no idea what the hawk situation is in LA, or when the best time to fly is. Almost every region has been hit by hawks and almost every flyer is losing good birds getting ready for the regionals AND the finals. I hear it every day from the RDs, the flyers and from the judge.I proposed preliminary schedules and asked you all to let me know if the times were not good for you.I received nothing from the LA RD indicating that he would rather fly some other time because of hawks. That's the best I can do...COMMUNICATION! I can't read people's minds and I can't keep track of every region's specific idiosynchrosies with regard to the timing of flying rollers. The more feedback I get, the more effective I can be for you guys. We did a lot of major adjusting for regions that split, weather, work schedules, etc. But the guys that communicated what works best for them are the ones that received consideration.
I could be wrong, but I believe that getting a judge to committ a number of weekends each year will be easier than getting a committment to take eight to ten weeks off work and away from his family. We have already discussed how difficult it was to get a judge this year for those reasons. It can't get any worse! Flying on weekends should open up the prospect of judging to working men...right now it is practically limited to retirees because of the time involved. Weekend flys will enable more participation in watching the flys also. Choosing to fly before the time change will help to train kits. Heck I'm limited to flying my comp kit on weekends only, now, because it's dark when I get home from work! This type of a national competition will raise the bar...more variety of judges...better birds available....birds in better shape (no moult)....more effective training....I think the competition is going to make money this year....but even if we had to raise the fee $5 per kit entered to make this happen it would be money well-spent. How may of you would give $5 to get back birds you sacrificed to the hawks to get ready for this fly as it is??
Cliff
Last Edited by on Nov 08, 2008 7:49 PM
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spanky
644 posts
Nov 09, 2008
7:12 AM
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CLIFF YOU HEARD IT FROM LOTS OF SO. CAL FLYERS WE ARE GETTING KILLED I'M WITH EVERY BODY IF THE NBRC DONT GIVES US A BETTTER DATE I WILL NOT BE FLYING. IS JUST KRAZY WE LOSE ALOT OF BIRDS. I LOST 5 TO THE BOP JUST TRYNIG FOR THR FINALS. AND THE DAY I FLEW I LOST 2 TO THE BOP THAT MAKES 7 BIRDS IN 8 DAYS OF FLYING. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
SPANKY
SGVS
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