cv rollers
120 posts
Nov 14, 2008
7:13 PM
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this is for the experience guys just wondering where did all the rollers of today come from ?i mean do they all trace back to the few people that imported them. back to the old guys?they are from england correct!i ask because the majority of todays rollers look the same just some deferent shapes????dont no if i am making any sense??????like i said its a dumb question!!!
example where did pemson get his birds,palona? bob scott?ect..
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does the family tree go beck to a few people?????????????????
rick
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kopetsa
2208 posts
Nov 14, 2008
7:18 PM
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Mini Bio.
"William Hyla Pensom was born in 1904 in Birmingham, England, and if ever there was a "born fancier", he was. Because his father and grand- father were fanciers, his initiation to the hobby came early. By the time he was an adolescent he already had become personally acquainted with many of the actual founding fathers of the breed, men who had done critical foundation breeding in the 1800's and who had literally brought the Birmingham Roller into the 20th century. The significance of the achievements of those early breeders is made all the more remarkable by the fact that their work was done long before the discovery of Mendel's principles and the establishment of the science of genetics. But this was not unique to the origin of the Birmingham Roller. The British were early leaders in the field of practical animal breeding in virtually all areas, with impressive results having been obtained many years before any scientific understanding of the biological mechanisms involved was available. Developing distinctive breeds of live- stock was, to a considerable extent, a national preoccupation and source of pride. The founding fathers of the Birmingham Roller may have known nothing of chromosomes, genes, dominance, etc., but they shared with their fellow countrymen a well- honed ability to spot quality stock and an intuitive understanding of heritable variation and directional selection capable of producing results which modern breeders would be hard-pressed to match."
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Andrew C.
Home of the Yellows
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cv rollers
121 posts
Nov 14, 2008
7:26 PM
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wow,so all rollers trace back to pensom??????so all rollers of today are related some how???
rick
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Lipper
48 posts
Nov 14, 2008
7:29 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I met an old guy in probably about 85', who had really nice birds. He was 80 some years old, I really wish I could remember his name, but I cant. He lived in Winona, MN and we traded birds for a while until he was forced to get down to 2 pair. He sold me the rest, actually for what he charged me, he gave them to me. He was very intelligent and lived rollers...To get to the point, he was from England when he was a boy, and he told me they used to meet at the local pubs, drink ale, and talk birds. He said they always bet on who had the best birds, walk to someones coop fly birds and so on. Then back to the pub drink some more and actually get into fist fights, over rollers.
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cv rollers
124 posts
Nov 14, 2008
8:14 PM
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ok i get it who ever came from england imported birds!!!!!!thats where the deferent lines come from ...so most birds are related some how or another they just breed them and give them their own name reed,bob scott,higgins,palona and so on???????????correct????????am i wrong?????help answer this dumb question!!!!!!!!!!!is that why most birds look the same??????????????
rick
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brudahpete
139 posts
Nov 14, 2008
8:18 PM
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There was a dude from Turkey on here a couple of weeks ago that had som funky looking rollers that date back to like b.c. times!
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Lipper
52 posts
Nov 14, 2008
8:50 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
cv, They dont all look alike. My Plonas are quite a bit bigger than my Hardesty birds, and a bit bigger than my Pensoms. The bodies are also alot different proportionately. I would think that a couple different people actually started the breed, how I have no clue. I do know that Pensom cant take credit for staring the breed. He sure did one heck of a number on the cultivation of it though..
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cv rollers
126 posts
Nov 14, 2008
9:02 PM
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ur right there IS SOME DEFERENT LINES but for the most part there is alot that do look the same ,alot the some color patterns !correct?
rick
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Lipper
55 posts
Nov 14, 2008
9:12 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Yeah your right about color patterns, but I have seen most in homers as well..They do all go back to a few birds somewhere in the beginning. I do believe that after a while that new breeds can be developed within a breed, some may well be headed that direction..
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Lipper
56 posts
Nov 14, 2008
9:15 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
There was a dude from Turkey on here a couple of weeks ago that had som funky looking rollers that date back to like b.c. times!
Do you know what thread that was? I would really like to see them.
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RodSD
33 posts
Nov 14, 2008
9:48 PM
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Who really knows! I think rollers already existed when Pensom came. I am also in fact trying to figure out the origin of homing pigeons.
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cv rollers
127 posts
Nov 14, 2008
10:13 PM
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any one care to share their opinion or knowledge ......
great response guys....
rick
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THISROLL
70 posts
Nov 15, 2008
5:19 AM
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cv rollers nice thinking lol..i think like that too like all birmingham roller came from this first roller in europe...is that right anyways??
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brudahpete
148 posts
Nov 15, 2008
7:09 AM
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Lipper, hers a couple of pics the guy from Turkey posted.... Funky looking but kool, all the same.
Last Edited by on Nov 15, 2008 7:22 AM
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Longroller
16 posts
Nov 15, 2008
7:48 AM
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I don't know how bad you want to know..but Joe Quinn finished probably the best history book(s) (two in the set) a year or so ago..."The Search for Those Fabulous Whittinghams"..is a history of the Birmingham roller which goes back on paper to aprox. 1860 with quotes into the 1700's and such. Levi's book "The Pigeon" is also very good. The March/April 2008 NBRC Bulletin pg 32-46.."Canton, Ohio..The roller capital of the world" has some excellent material..Joe Quinn author..I think you will find that Mr. Pensom, and Mr. Whittingham (3 generations of Whittingham) were the more recent names put on the breed of acrobats in the air. Be careful of supposition by many on forums today as most of them are under 90 years old and are only "recent history" while our great friend "The Roller" has been around for a long time before them.
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Windjammer Loft
482 posts
Nov 15, 2008
9:54 AM
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cv rollers......sounds like you need to do more reaserch on ROLLERS...
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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cv rollers
129 posts
Nov 15, 2008
4:44 PM
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yes ur correct!,i do need to do more research ,but i see that other people think the same ,but my question is about todays rollers do they all connect some where?????thanks guys like i said "dumb question"
rick
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Fire_Baller_916
343 posts
Nov 15, 2008
5:28 PM
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The Whittingham strain was imported here before Pensom started importing his birds and at the time there were already rollers here before McAree and Bill imported there birds here...Not all rollers goes back to Pensom...There were other roller fanciers that imported birds here also...Pensom got his birds from the black country a few hours away from Birmingham...
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Chai_Seng
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Windjammer Loft
498 posts
Nov 16, 2008
9:37 AM
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cv rollers.......Hope you got your answer.... And the remember, the only dumb question is the one that you don't ask. Thats what the experienced ones are here for..... grasshopper.....lol
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Nov 16, 2008 9:39 AM
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