quality
31 posts
Nov 15, 2008
6:10 AM
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Does anybody experiment in the breeding loft.
I have 14 individual nest boxes & 1 every year is for an experimental pair. I have had some great results by experimenting, by this I mean crossing my 2 blood lines, breeding straight flyers. One of my best hens in the stock pen is a straight flyer. She ended up in the experimental nest box because of her parents. Her parents bred me 17 cocks & 1 hen. Of these 3 cocks are stocked & the hen. I still fly all of them after breeding & still the hen does nothing. She is of excellent type & an outstanding kitter. She is a 1999 hen, I've bred her to all 3 of her full brothers, her father, her grandfather, 1st cousin, & 3 1/2 brothers with great results from all pairings.
Please bear in mind I would never experiment with a bird who has a fault, any fault.
Is a straight flyer a fault?
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brudahpete
144 posts
Nov 15, 2008
6:43 AM
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I don't think you're a bird man if you don't experiment. It's all about trying to bring out the best genes in the birds that you have, be it rollers or "Straight Flyers".
I used to experiment with commies and got pretty good at breeding into them what I wanted. Yeah, so I was a boy, but I sure learned a lot by doing it.
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Lipper
60 posts
Nov 15, 2008
9:35 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I have 80 rollers here out of 4 different lofts so there will be alot of experimenting. I have room for 20 pair in my heated breeding loft, and unlimited space in the barn. I have to get my kit coops up to par before I can really get started so for now I'm just breeding within each family. I'm not sure whats going to happen, but I'm going to have fun as I go.
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brudahpete
150 posts
Nov 15, 2008
9:46 AM
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I'm going to build a heated breeding loft someday. One of those many wishes on the list.
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Windjammer Loft
481 posts
Nov 15, 2008
9:47 AM
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Quality...........first would you define "straight flyer"??
If it doesn't, roll then it a FAULT.
If I understand you right...
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Lipper
62 posts
Nov 15, 2008
10:12 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Pete,
The loft I am heating is just a 8x12 yard barn with a 3x6 run attached outside. I took a 2x4 sheet of plexiglass, and built a new door for sunshine during the day.
I closed the out side run off for the winter. I use a 40 watt bulb that is on 24 hours a day. I use a $27.00 milkhouse heater set at 50 degrees. It probably costs me about $20.00 a month in electric. Get a cheap thermometer and once you have your temp locked in turn the heater from high to low. I have about a dozen 3/8 inch holes drilled into the 2x4 just below the roof sheeting on the opposite wall from the door for ventilation...
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quality
34 posts
Nov 15, 2008
10:33 AM
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A straight flyer is only a roller with the highest resistance to the roll. I have bred several with great results, breeding them back to real close family. I find it is like outcrossing a family only now you are staying in the same gene pool.
I asked if a straight flyer is a fault, only because I know the answer already. No it is not, most would disagree. I have learned this in my own breeding program & from those before me. Bill Barrett used straight flyers in his breeding program as well as flippers. Tipplers were added in for their endurance, homers for their homing ability.
Yes straight flyers breed straight flyers, but also some of the best rollers in my kits come down from them.
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
1954 posts
Nov 15, 2008
11:55 AM
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Quality I would rather breed a straight flyer that kits well and has a good temperment in the perch before I breed a bird with other faults like bad kitting or not stopping right and heading right back to the kit.. these straight flyer birds have come from birds that roll well like their siblings well sometime they have hidden secrets that surprise you..I have done it in the past to experiment with Pensom/Jacs cross and the babies came out rolling well one did one didn't .. I did it because I had no choice I was down to 2 pairs because of hawks.. I know ppl who breed out the nest and you never know what faults that bird has .thats why its call experiment .the Lab ...
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Ralph
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