rtwilliams
249 posts
Nov 17, 2008
7:51 PM
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Today was Utah turn with Eldon Cheney.
Result
Guil Rand 203
Guil's birds were doing good for the first few minutes and flew high and stopped working. He has a couple real good and deep birds though. The weather was warm with no wind.
Brian Jacobson 9
Brian has a good kit of young birds. Some of the birds he flew were this years hatch. Some good individual performers, unfortunately they did not work as a team today.
Blake Coates 691 currently 4th
Scott Campbell had an overfly a couple of days ago. So Blake goto step in. Blake had a good kit that had 12 breaks or so with 1.6 for both Quality and Depth I think. It was a fun kit to watch.
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RT Williams
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kopetsa
2262 posts
Nov 17, 2008
8:03 PM
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when you say 1.6 how deep would you say that is?
Good job guys!
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Andrew C.
Home of the Yellows
Last Edited by on Nov 17, 2008 8:03 PM
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rtwilliams
250 posts
Nov 17, 2008
8:07 PM
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kop
Most of the birds were about 20 footers. A few deeper.
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RT Williams
Last Edited by on Nov 17, 2008 8:07 PM
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kopetsa
2264 posts
Nov 17, 2008
8:08 PM
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And if there are 40-50 footers, score goes way up?
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Andrew C.
Home of the Yellows
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spanky
655 posts
Nov 17, 2008
8:10 PM
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1.6 ISSENT THAT 60 FOOTERS
SPANKY
SGVS
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Mount Airy Lofts
821 posts
Nov 17, 2008
9:31 PM
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Spanky,
I would think 60 footers would be more in the 1.8 or 1.9 range wouldn't you think. 60 feet and super tight, super fast would be as good as they come wouldn't you agree? I know if I had those, I would think so...
Williams... thanks for the update. My friend John Johnson tagged along to judge that region with Dave Gehrke. He said that he saw some super deep and fast rollers over there. Really impressed him. He also made mention that a first time flier made the cut to the top of the sheets. Congrats to that fellow. I was also delighted to hear that there were guys over there flying some Plona based birds that could really rip for some distance.
Again, thanks for the update...
From MN,
Thor
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rtwilliams
251 posts
Nov 18, 2008
3:25 AM
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Blake's birds come from Jim Brown. Jim's birds are Plona based. Jim has gotta be near 80, and has had rollers most of his life, from this family. Jim may have gotten his birds from Plona. A lot of the northern Utah guys are flying birds from him. He is an excellent roller man, giving birds to new guys to get them started in the hobby.
Brain Jacobson had birds until college, etc. He has gotten back into birds as of last year. This was his first year having enough birds to fly. And some of his birds were this years hatch, one or two may not have been 6 months, and a few were not much older than that. I think I over heard that most of his kit were not a year old yet. Brain's birds are from Jay Starley. I think Brian said he grew up close to Jay.
As far as the depth of the birds go, I had my 3 year old with me and was watching her as well as the birds. they may have been deeper. The breaks I saw had birds going a solid 20 feet. Blake had some really good breaks. I only saw about half the breaks. Blake has horses, and My daughter had to stand on the fence and pet them. It was difficult to hold her, pet horses and watch Blake's kit. Blake's Farm is way to much fun for little ones.
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RT Williams
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
1983 posts
Nov 18, 2008
7:44 PM
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Thanks for the updates RT...
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Ralph
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Mount Airy Lofts
829 posts
Nov 21, 2008
10:38 PM
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Williams... Sweet. Don't know bouts the finals but I was referring to the Prelims.
Stay warm, it's freaking cold out side...
Thor
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spanky
667 posts
Nov 22, 2008
9:40 AM
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IT SAYS QUALITY AND DEPT 1.6 THATS 60 FOOTERS TO ME.
SPANKY
SGVS
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Scott
1268 posts
Nov 22, 2008
10:19 AM
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Spank, if every bird in the entire kit is averaging 60' throughout the entire fly and doing it properly to be scored that would be some kit,it won't happen though as these birds aren't phyicaly capable of it.
When I'm judging or watching any kit I don't think of depth in feet, I just know what deep is and I know what shallow is, and it evolves more around duration than trying to guess depth.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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winwardrollers
32 posts
Nov 22, 2008
3:10 PM
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The deeper the birds roll the harder it is to keep the kit together. It takes time for the birds to return and get ready to go again.
I have witnessed kit that have "supposed" to have been deep rolling kits. It turns out that three or five birds in the kit roll extra deep but if you notice the other birds that go on the break with are shallow. You have to take the "average" of all the birds breaking.
A Kit that have good seperation on the breaks meaning birds that roll deep as a group are fun for the judge to judge. You can just count the birds while they are returning to the kit. It is the kit that have birds rolling differant distance, some shallow to deeper and deeper that are harder for the judge to count at this point it come more of an educated guess from what I have noticed.
Blake Coates first break was a 14 bird break that Eldon scored another Guy thought it was a 15 bird break. Pretty close count between the two no matter how you look at it.
Blake Coates has deep rolling birds no doubt. I live over the hill and compete with him in the northern Utah Area flies. One fly day a bunch of this his kit were rolling 60 to 70 ft at a time, they were extra hot that day.
I would like to see a kit of birds that all rolled 40 ft.
I think at 40 ft you would have a super deep kit and woud have to fight kitting problems. Birds going that deep can only return to the kit so fast and rolling three or four time in a minute would be out of the question. A kit this deep would only have to roll 2 time a minute to give you a score over 1000 if half of the birds were rolling.
Brad winward
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winwardrollers
33 posts
Nov 22, 2008
3:11 PM
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The deeper the birds roll the harder it is to keep the kit together. It takes time for the birds to return and get ready to go again.
I have witnessed kit that have "supposed" to have been deep rolling kits. It turns out that three or five birds in the kit roll extra deep but if you notice the other birds that go on the break with are shallow. You have to take the "average" of all the birds breaking.
A Kit that have good seperation on the breaks meaning birds that roll deep as a group are fun for the judge to judge. You can just count the birds while they are returning to the kit. It is the kit that have birds rolling differant distance, some shallow to deeper and deeper that are harder for the judge to count at this point it come more of an educated guess from what I have noticed.
Blake Coates first break was a 14 bird break that Eldon scored another Guy thought it was a 15 bird break. Pretty close count between the two no matter how you look at it.
Blake Coates has deep rolling birds no doubt. I live over the hill and compete with him in the northern Utah Area flies. One fly day a bunch of this his kit were rolling 60 to 70 ft at a time, they were extra hot that day.
I would like to see a kit of birds that all rolled 40 ft.
I think at 40 ft you would have a super deep kit and would have to fight kitting problems. Birds going that deep can only return to the kit so fast and rolling three or four time in a minute would be out of the question. A kit this deep would only have to roll 2 time a minute to give you a score over 1000.. if half of the birds were rolling.
Brad winward
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Mount Airy Lofts
831 posts
Nov 23, 2008
7:20 AM
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A kit of all 40s. That would be sweet indeed! Any thing over 30 is consider deep over here. I don't get that many good birds rolling that deep make it past their first year.
Thor
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winwardrollers
34 posts
Nov 23, 2008
11:51 AM
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That is why I used the word "super" before deep. I think 40 ft would be be max out point for a kit these days.
I am sure there is some backyard flyer that saying to his self I have better than that. Let us know and we will come over to your house and watch the birds fly just for fun.
Brad winward
Last Edited by on Nov 23, 2008 11:54 AM
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