cv rollers
135 posts
Nov 22, 2008
9:45 PM
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this is just a question? i no there is alot of competition flyers on this site. just wondering how many guys/gals r starting out and call themselves back yard flyers??as for me i am a back yard flyer 4 NOW, it will take me some time to try to compete in this serious sport of flying rollers.how long did it take u to get u where u r today (competition flying)...
rick
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brudahpete
199 posts
Nov 22, 2008
10:02 PM
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Backyard for 30+ years!
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Windjammer Loft
543 posts
Nov 23, 2008
7:47 AM
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Iam going into my 5th year of backyarding with rollers
.....lol.
I have been flying pigeons off and on for about 30 yrs.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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cv rollers
139 posts
Nov 23, 2008
8:32 AM
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I see so far i am not alone, thanks guys felt a little pressured to compete with all the talk on this site.dont get me wrong competing is a goal i want to achieve one day
rick
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
27 posts
Nov 23, 2008
8:49 AM
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51 years...Raced homers with the Germans in their clubs and rolled rollers in Okinawa with Ray Payne. Just now working on the competition bird..enjoying the hobby and its participants.
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rollernewbie
241 posts
Nov 23, 2008
8:51 AM
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im just a backyard flier...might get into Comp. in the future..
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RollerNewbie
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roller alley
21 posts
Nov 23, 2008
9:00 AM
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i think and it is my personal opinion that up untill you take part in a sponsord fly you are a back yard flyer ,no matter how hard you train your birds,ive been a back yarder for 5 years now and am ready to step it up.i just need to get my stock up to get 2 full kits going.
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Marvin
51 posts
Nov 23, 2008
9:21 AM
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i am a back yard phlier until next year im phling in w/c f/f look out here i come peeps
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Marvin
52 posts
Nov 23, 2008
9:21 AM
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i am a back yard phlier until next year im phling in w/c f/f look out here i come peeps
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glenn
174 posts
Nov 23, 2008
10:38 AM
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I am a backyard flyer and will always be a back yard flyer. I have flown in several competitions, but perfer to just raise & fly my birds for enyoyment & fun. It is a Hobby and if you are not having fun with it why do it. When the competitions come around & I have a kit up I will fly, if I don't have a kit I won't fly.
Glenn
P.S. The question of the day is...If the NBRC or The World Cup changed the rules of flying would you change your birds to suit the rules or still breed to the basic standard of the Brimingham Roller?
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Electric-man
2127 posts
Nov 23, 2008
10:44 AM
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You ought to start a new thread with that question Glenn. Could get interesting!
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Val
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smoke747
1405 posts
Nov 23, 2008
11:26 AM
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Glen, that is a good question. What kind of changes are you talking about?
smoke747
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Keith London
ICRC
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tomas'commerce,ca.
56 posts
Nov 23, 2008
12:03 PM
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well i have to say im a front yard flier lol i have my coops in the front yard of my home,i have no back yard to put my lofts sucks but i manage to work with what i have lol,and after 18 yrs. since i had rollers behind my moms house and got married and had to leave the hobby im off to a good start its been 8 months since ive got back in to this hobby and hope to compete soon im not in a club but would like to be, i may have to start my own club but really dont know how to get it started. :)
Tomas
5/710
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jnyce
377 posts
Nov 23, 2008
12:11 PM
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just a back yard flyer and im loving it
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jerry t
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3757
1026 posts
Nov 23, 2008
12:19 PM
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Glenn - That was profound!
Keith - Lets use a hypothetical and lets imagine all of a sudden the largest club in America changes the rules to the original American standard of flying rollers. The new rules would require birds flying for hours and birds rolling hundreds of feet once every 10 minutes. And say this is the new world cup and current competition rules. How does that affect your breeding program? Now, everyone and their mom is going to come out and say that is ridicules and that would never happen but let’s say it did and stick with that theme? How would that change your breeding? Would you adhere to it since it is what everyone is doing and is the current "rule" and "governing body"? Now, say you do not follow it and remain in your backyard doing your thing! Does that negate anything about what you know or what you are doing or would that make you a non competitor and a "non flyer"?
Last Edited by on Nov 23, 2008 12:25 PM
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Velo99
1926 posts
Nov 23, 2008
12:23 PM
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I wasnt such a freak I might be a backyard flyer. The idea of coming out of nowhere and kicking someones tail feathers really appeals to me.
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V99
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Bill C
122 posts
Nov 23, 2008
12:59 PM
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I actually stick up for some backyard flyers, but in this case considering the company I'm in, I would say you have to define what a back yard flyer is and a comp guy.
My opinion is a comp guy likes to see rollers perform and promotes the hobby by participation and breeding skills to imporve the rollers. ( this is why the club flys have 1.1 depth and quality and a 1.6 depth and quality) Plus you have guys that truely help others get into rollers and lets face it What is the Big question everybody wants to know when they hear or see your rollers. ( even a picture ) What family are they out of? Herb Spark, Jerry Higgins, Kumero, Rick Mee, Roe ect. Everyone wants to know the compeition name behind the rollers. Yes Even the great Pensom was a comp man just look at what he was doing with his rollers...Promoting the hobby with flying kits for all to see.
Now you have a back yard flyer. THere are two exceptions Borges and Kiser but the rest are basically guys who do not spend enough time training the birds to perform on a given day with others because they lack the skill and patience to do so, they will not haddle it well if their birds go flat (Which we all have at times ) they brag on having birds as good as any but will never fly them even on the big flys which only happens once a year. There is always a reason they cannot fly this weekend. Why OH why can they just put up a kit and say, see My birds actually roll.
I enjoy birds that are deep and keep the quality and have less frequency, they are some of the best kits I've seen. That is why I got some Borges birds they are not World cup champions but they were the best birds I ever saw to this day in 2008 so far. He had about 35 guys come to see his kit fly in the WC pre-lims, That is what a back yard flyer should be doing. Showing the USA that he has birds that are a valuable performer. Even if you dont compete you could fly birds in a comp just to show that you are a lagitemate breeder of performers but if your birds cannot perform ( and I mean comp or not ) in the air then you have to keep the label of Backyarder ( back yarder who cannot get his roller to perform even one time for others )
Im not stiring up trouble just what I think about this as I have read here for years now. Bill C
Last Edited by on Nov 23, 2008 1:00 PM
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Bill C
123 posts
Nov 23, 2008
1:17 PM
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I for got to mentin I would rather have Borges A team that scored aprx 240 points than a winning WC or FF kit that scored 980 points or 1440 points. Get the picture? SO this idea that comp guys raise frequent 10 foot rollers that roll 2 to 3 times a minute might be so with a few who just want to rake in points but it is not the mojority of comp guys. SO whether your comp or back yarder, you should fly your birds in WC and Fall fly to show the new guys they just might want birds like you have. Dont know if I Can explain it better than that. Lets all fly next year and enjoy all the performing birds that are being bred out there! Bill C
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glenn
175 posts
Nov 23, 2008
1:33 PM
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Bill:
Everyone is a back yard flyer, if they fly there birds. Some compete & some don't plain & simple. So what is your answer to the question of if they change the flying rules?
Glenn
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cv rollers
141 posts
Nov 23, 2008
1:49 PM
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bill u could come by my place and see my kit fly any time LOL! may not like what u see .i make no excuses ......they may just kit and if i am lucky they may just roll LOL!but i will enjoy them no matter what they do .p.s.my daughter thinks they are the best because they trap through the little door.
rick
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Mayo
43 posts
Nov 23, 2008
2:39 PM
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The way I look at it, We all are backyard flyers.......Just some of us compete ,Its backyard first then Comp.................Some of the best Rollers out there are Backyard Rollers and if the Guys (or Gals) that have them would all compete, we mite have and upset in the Roller Competions. Instead of the same guys for the past 20 years on the scoreboard.......the Backyard flyers do not care about proving anything like the guys that Compete...Competeing is only for self gradification...(JMO) MaYO P.S Backyard sence the late 70,s
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Scott
1273 posts
Nov 23, 2008
2:57 PM
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(P.S. The question of the day is...If the NBRC or The World Cup changed the rules of flying would you change your birds to suit the rules or still breed to the basic standard of the Brimingham Roller? )
Glenn, honestly this question doesn't make sence, all of my pairings and breeding plans evolve around breeding the best individuals that I can with stabitity,nothing else plays into my breeding choices.
I then put these individuals in together and pit them against others that do the same,some years I have good teams of these individules and other years I don't,when I don't others are happy LOL.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
1274 posts
Nov 23, 2008
3:00 PM
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.( The new rules would require birds flying for hours and birds rolling hundreds of feet once every 10 minutes. And say this is the new world cup and current competition rules)
I would buy some old time American Rollers since that is what you described,but what does this have to do with Birminghams,and why would the rules be changed in such of a manor?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Nov 23, 2008 3:03 PM
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Bill C
124 posts
Nov 23, 2008
4:03 PM
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Rick I enjoyed your post and glad your girl likes to see them go in those small doors! LOL great!
3757, First I should apologize in that I do not know or have seen your guys birds fly. But Change the rules to flying for hours would mean birds sky out to fly that long or they would become seldon and if they did roll 80 or 100 feet they would be up so high you would miss most of the fly. So to answer your question. First it is a redundant question. Please come up with a logical one like rollers flying for 25 minutes and score birds that roll with quality over 20 feet and have a special score for the induvidual rollers. Oh that would be the single bird fly which we tried to get going in our area but had a lack of partisapation or interest but just a few and those were the comp guys who were interested in our local single bird fly.
All I am saying is you can fly a kit in comp whether you are a back yard guy or not. There is a reason you ( not all the new guys ) guys will not put up your kit in the fall fly or world cup. Its not about we have nothing to prove its about making friends and sharing your birds performance with others and being able to deal with bad weather or screwing things up the day before and stuff like that. I know from past posts that guys say they; have nothing to prove and want to leave it at that. I am saying put them up to fly and if you have some real great spinners they will get noticed even if you do not win a competiton. Why not, because i am not into competiton. I dont care about the competitions as much as I enjoy going around and seeing the birds fly and chat rollers and have lunch with the local guys flying thier birds.
Glenn you can start a back yard fly with any rules you want and I'm sure you will get many who fly, to fly with your rules and the back yarders will then have a bone to pick with you too! Its just that there are alot of people who will not train a kit to fly and perform and allow others to see for their own insecurity about their birds. Just my take on things. Bill
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brudahpete
202 posts
Nov 23, 2008
5:12 PM
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The one thing I would like to accomplish is getting more people in my area into the hobby. As I said I'm just into this for the enjoyment factor & to have something to do with my boys. It sure beats video games & all of the other distractions out there. I'd like to ask out of all of you guys here, how many involve their kids or grand kids in their birds?
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donnie james
35 posts
Nov 23, 2008
5:33 PM
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hay rick it took me about 20 years or so to start flying compation flys..............donny james
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RodSD
57 posts
Nov 23, 2008
5:37 PM
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Backyard flier here as well.
It is hard to encourage young people to participate in this hobby. It takes commitment feeding, cleaning, etc. It is hard to even encourage kids to wash their dishes. Not only that, but there is this misperceptions about pigeons in general. Also do you ever see Petsmart or Petco selling pigeons? It is not in the mainstream so to speak.
I have to admit though that kids are fascinated with this hobby. One time when I was flying my birds a neighbor kid climbed through the fence and talked to me about what kind of birds I have. She asked several questions, but the dad came and that was that.
Another reason why it is hard to encourage new recruit is the stringent government ordinance rules. Some places may not even allow it. And if they allow it you need a big yard.
We definitely need to change this mis-perceptions about pigeons. How we do it I don't know.
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brudahpete
203 posts
Nov 23, 2008
6:01 PM
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Yeah, all of these communist zoning laws & home owners associations are a load! Perception of pigeons is a hill we all are climbing. I have some co-workers who are kicking around getting started. As for kids being involved, My kids didn't have much of an interest until we had enough birds that they each have a kit. Chores are a part of life but my boys are always out with the birds or their dogs, sometimes both! My 12 year old boy has some kind of magic with all of the birds, he's just got a knack with them.
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THISROLL
125 posts
Nov 23, 2008
6:12 PM
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backyard flyer here too..hope to compete with teh big guys later on in the future!!!=)))i beleive that competion guys have there own agenda to doing there own roller thing, and backyard guys have a different agenda but thats ok.. enjoy the sport in the meantime lol
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cv rollers
143 posts
Nov 23, 2008
9:36 PM
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"WOW" alot of back yard flyers more than i thought !!!!!thanks 4 ur replies ....p.s.our goal in my club(coachella valley rollers)is to get the kids involved,the meetings look like a play ground we all take the kids,boy&girls....
rick
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PROJECK
54 posts
Nov 24, 2008
4:21 AM
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Backyard flyer.. looking into comp. in the near future..
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silent187
214 posts
Nov 24, 2008
10:26 AM
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man im a backyard flyer ready for comp this yr...... hopefully i aint gonna lag it ive been with rollers only two yrs but me ill take any challenge even if i lose just to show u i aint no punk and imma compete now...
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maxspin
317 posts
Nov 24, 2008
12:20 PM
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I have never understood those that don't want to compete as a new flyer. I started competing the first year that I had an old bird team.
If you want to improve go out on the flies, and have the fliers come to your back yard. Listen to the advise that they give you. There is no other venue that will get that kind of experience in your back yard talking to you about your birds.
As a new flier it is difficult to get your hands on quality stock. Many fliers are hesitant to let good birds go to a completely new flier that may or may not stay in the hobby. By supporting the fly you are showing that you are dedicated.
Keith Maxwell
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kcfirl
519 posts
Nov 24, 2008
1:10 PM
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I received 4 pairs of birds from Chuck roe and John Yates in April of 1999 and flew in the fall fly that same year and in every fly I could at the local, state, national, and international level.
So, I'm a backyard flyer that likes to see the best birds and kits I can. The place to see that, is in competitions.
I have never seen a kit I wanted in a guys backyard that doesn't fly in comps. Not saying it doesn't exist, just have never seen it.
Regard,
Ken Firl
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kopetsa
2310 posts
Nov 24, 2008
1:49 PM
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glenn that is false because I am a front yard flyer.. :D lol it's true
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Andrew C.
Home of the Yellows
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
44 posts
Nov 24, 2008
5:30 PM
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I grew up catching and flying rollers till I had to get rid of them as a kid ( parents) . Backyard flier and proud ,didnt no anything about it being a sport . Saw a guys birds flipping and fell in love with it. Now 25yrs later I"m back,4 months strong .. lol .. Learning as much as possible and as quick. Do I plan to compete ? YES without a doubt Why ? just my take .... in order for me to learn and ...compete I must see whats out their. With some help I plan on competing in 09 I love the sport , the Quality time with kids and just being outdoors , meeting real people . Thanks to all who have helped anyone in this sport .
Larry
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
45 posts
Nov 24, 2008
5:37 PM
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I agree with Keith Maxwell , To love the sport is to see the sport, guys arent just out their saying come see my birds fly ..worried.. By you being serious ( myself being a new guy ) Im joining a club , going to as many flies as i can and plan on competing . I got it bad ! lol
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roller alley
27 posts
Nov 24, 2008
5:50 PM
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YES MAX is right if you start with good stock but some of us were not fortunate.we started with medeocre birds that wernt worth the drive to my house.BUT all that is in the past,i will try to the best of my ability to fly this coming year.too bad the lock down or ill be training right now.
thnx L.J.
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rtwilliams
276 posts
Dec 04, 2008
2:09 PM
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New flier. I worked hard to get a kit of birds to put up this spring. I hope to be able to score a few points in The WC regionals, It would be cool to qualify, But just to fly and not DQ is my current goal.
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RT Williams
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Pumpkin Man
25 posts
Dec 05, 2008
7:22 PM
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I'm a back yard guy for 10 years. I work full-time and farm part-time and have two young children so it's limited my time. I don't think you can be very serious competitor unless you really can put the time into your birds. I want to fly comp at some point, but timing is just now getting better for me. I think the level of commitment is probably much higher from the comp guys. It's also probably what's in your personality. I'm very competitive and don't want to embarass myself with a half-a-- kit. Some people are just more laid back and not real competitive. One group is not better than another just apples and oranges. I have a lot of respect for the time and commitment the comp guys put in they also know the rest of the hobby is watching and see the scores and are putting their birds out there for all to see, so personally I wouldn't crack on these guys. Since I haven't put mine up I'm not going to criticize anyone -back yard or comp. I think a lot of folks like me also make some stupid mistakes like not breeding enough birds. For a long time I was trying to breed from 4 pair, finally realized that's hopeless. Never could get a full kit of same age birds. I think need to raise 60-100 birds next year If I want to have a kit ready for 2010 which is my goal. Next year I'm going to breed more birds. It's hard to cull like you should if you don't have many to start with.
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mario
GOLD MEMBER
274 posts
Dec 05, 2008
7:28 PM
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Backyard flyer and all by my self, no other flyer around my area ,it s sad but what can i do ,i love flying birds and im starting to have pretty good birds ,
Mario
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Pumpkin Man
26 posts
Dec 05, 2008
7:33 PM
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Same here Mario. If I didn't get the NBRC bulletin and on the Internet forums like this I wouldn't have a clue what I was doing.
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true spin
15 posts
Dec 05, 2008
8:11 PM
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hi i guess you would say that i am a back yard flyer right now as i have just got another line of birds & plan on breeding them hard to see what they will do only time will tell if i feel like flying in comps i might & i might not i wont mind showing people my birds in the air as long as i think there decent like they say to each there own thanks rick
and hey kopetsa i thought i seen your birds out in front of that PINK house ha ha ha
true spin
Country Creek Loft
Ontario Canada
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kopetsa
2476 posts
Dec 05, 2008
8:34 PM
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lol Rick.. from that statement you have actually seen my house.. :)
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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Santandercol
GOLD MEMBER
3477 posts
Dec 05, 2008
8:42 PM
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I'm a backyarder first but will compete if I can.
bruddahpete,
Communist zoning laws???LOLOLOL.I thought they were all Capitalists who made those laws!!??Real estate agents and lawyers.You guys down there in the US are funny!Anything you don't like is a commie!LOL.Like us lazy tailcoat riding liberal canucks!
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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kopetsa
2477 posts
Dec 05, 2008
8:43 PM
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where yah been Kel. Long time no see.. lol
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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Santandercol
GOLD MEMBER
3478 posts
Dec 05, 2008
8:52 PM
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Flying oriental roller Society is having an auction I'm coordinating.busy wih that.also that forum doesn't have any backbiting or nasty comments or politics.The vibes are just different on that site from what I have encountered here at times.I like this forum just need a break for a bit.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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smoke747
1431 posts
Dec 08, 2008
6:35 PM
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I would keep my current program going and start a side program to see if i could compete. if i couldn't i would not fly.
I probably wont fly in the FALL FLY any more unless something changes about the finals time.
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Keith London
ICRC
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PAUL R.
21 posts
Dec 09, 2008
7:36 PM
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KEITH, UNFORTUNATELY I UNDERSTAND LOOSING BIRDS TO THE PREDATOR. I FLEW EVERYTIME I HAD A KIT TO FLY IN THE FALL FLY AND WORLD CUP FLY SINCE 2001 UNTIL IN 2006 WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT THE PREDATOR GAVE ME A CHANCE TO FLY THE WHOLE 20-MINUTES WHILE BEING JUDGED & GUESS WHAT ?
I QUALIFIED ! ! ! IT FELT REAL GOOD . LOL
PAUL R.
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silent187
237 posts
Dec 09, 2008
8:05 PM
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thats kool paul u shouldnt told me of this fly or if u fly again this yr...
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