brudahpete
227 posts
Nov 28, 2008
5:46 PM
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Anybody use a dog to guard the bird loft? I have a ton of feral housecats around the hood, how hard would it be to train my two border collie dogs to protect the birds? They're extremely high energy dogs and I worry about them looking at the rollers as food! I'm already sick & tired of the cats around here & have wondered how hard it would be to train 2 2year old dogs to protect the birds.
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but do I need to get any special training for a dog?
Last Edited by on Nov 28, 2008 5:49 PM
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Velo99
1956 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:05 PM
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most dogs will chase a cat
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brudahpete
228 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:07 PM
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I have no doubt that a cat would be dinner near my dogs, I just don't know if I can keep the dogs from feasting on the birds if I were to move them nearer the loft.
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tomas'commerce,ca.
63 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:09 PM
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all i can say is i have a bunch of feral cats around and i own two cats of my own i have a pit bull and a chihuahua my chihuahuas killed 3 of my birds and my pit 1 so i'm a little disappointed in who to trust the dogs or the cats i have lost none to cats.
Tomas
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kopetsa
2388 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:10 PM
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Honestly if your dog and IF were locked up in a cage and your didn't fight all, mine would attack because he was raised as a house pet for the first 8 months of his life and thinks he is our size.. lol serious he attacked our toy poodle..
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Andrew C.
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brudahpete
229 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:14 PM
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I had a d*mn cat eat one through the wire! My boys , Fatt & Slim are extremely high energy like all border collies, I'm sure that given an opportunity, they could really wipe out a ton of birds. I would like to hear if anybody has successfully trained a dog or two to actually tend the birds.
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kopetsa
2389 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:17 PM
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Yes of course B.. Your can train CATS or DOGS to protect your birds. I know people who have done both. When the kitten or pup is small they put it in or near a nest with squeakers in it.. And the parents beat the deuce out of it, but thats the way they learn. The cats will chase stray cats out of the yard and so will a dog! Or just get a live cat trap.. lol Good luck!
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Andrew C.
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silver tail
626 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:18 PM
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brudahpete contact your local feed store or animal shelter get a cat trap set it catch them and call the shelter they will pick them or take the trap with the cat to the shelter they will take the cat and return the trap right there.
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brudahpete
230 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:20 PM
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Pellet gun is more the answer here! The d*mn cats are wiping out the quail too!
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kopetsa
2390 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:21 PM
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live cat trap with raw meat in it..
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Andrew C.
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Velo99
1958 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:22 PM
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Get a heeler. They are herd dogs and have an instinct to not hurt the birds.
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brudahpete
231 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:28 PM
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I love heelers, ausies & border collies. My sons picked these two boys out & did a great job. Lots of fun & really great personalities, they just have more energy than any six or seven other dogs combined! They're natural rabbit hunters & as such, I don't know if I could train 'em to tend my birds. They killed a coyote the other day when my boys took them on their walk, they're tough as nails!
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TimP
117 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:34 PM
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Well bruda, as long as the dogs have enough room to run they shouldn't try and eat the birds. I have a border collie and he was very easy to train not to go after the birds. At first all he would do is try and corral them then after a few stiff warnings he stopped that. Tomas pitbulls are another story!
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Velo99
1959 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:40 PM
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She has never actually killed one. She has gotten a few feathers once or twice. That was three years ago when she was still a puppy. She was just playing with the pigeon.
Once she figured out which birds were which she was good. She evens runs off the doves and sparrows,sometimes anyway. She hasnt figured out yet that chickens dont like to be herded. Thats another story.
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brudahpete
232 posts
Nov 28, 2008
6:51 PM
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Here's a couple of pics
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donnie james
50 posts
Nov 28, 2008
7:38 PM
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my dog will chase the cats out of the yard as well as bark as someone coming in the yard so i'm pretty safe either way.................donny james
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brudahpete
233 posts
Nov 28, 2008
7:41 PM
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Yeah, I've got an acre that they're on & I'm thinking of housing them right next to the loft.
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gotspin7
2051 posts
Nov 28, 2008
7:42 PM
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This is what I have and he smiles from ear to ear, when the kit breaks big!
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JDA
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101 posts
Nov 28, 2008
8:31 PM
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You can set a cat trap up high where you dogs won,t get into it. Set it with a can of cat food for bait just cut a hole in the top of the can and empty the trap in the AM. Cat traps are not agents the law. That should take care of your problems with cats.
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viper
40 posts
Nov 28, 2008
8:50 PM
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only put one with the birds and train them one at a time.my dog that I have and had I teach them to leave them alone unless they are on the ground then the bird is fair game rolldowns don't last long or bumpers either.Two dogs get in trouble quicker than one.Blake
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kopetsa
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Nov 28, 2008
8:57 PM
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SiDLoVE
335 posts
Nov 29, 2008
1:37 AM
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This Pom has been the best dog ive ever had.His name is Simba and ive had him 2 years. I use him to get birds off the ground, cats out the yard. I have trained this dog to my likings and these dogs were sled dogs before bred down so i take him on 4 to 5 mile runs.He is fearless and confronts any size dog cause he thinks hes a big dog. Hes very smart and a Champion in Heart.O.K he also gets the women for me at the DOG PARK...LMAO
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kopetsa
2400 posts
Nov 29, 2008
10:42 AM
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lol Sid!
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kopetsa
2401 posts
Nov 29, 2008
10:43 AM
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I guess somebody has to do it.. lmao
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brudahpete
239 posts
Nov 29, 2008
10:44 AM
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That there is a girl magnet for sure!
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Windjammer Loft
555 posts
Nov 29, 2008
4:06 PM
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brudahpete.....I will give your some professional advise. Seeing that I have been in the dog training business for over 30 yrs. You have to "very highly trainable dogs". If it were me, I would use a shock coller. You can very easily train them with just a few sessons. You stinulate them with a light shock when the dogs get too close to the birds. Repetition....is the key. The more you stimulate them to stay away from the birds the faster they pick it up...A good coller will have video on How to Use the coller properly. Feel free contact me if any further questions.. I'll be glad to help nout in any way I can....
Also you could get an animal trap to catch the cats.. The kind you would use to catch a raccoon or a possum..
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Fly High and Roll On
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brudahpete
242 posts
Nov 29, 2008
4:08 PM
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I was looking at a shock collar setup just yesterday. I might give it a try. Thanks guys for your input.
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Windjammer Loft
556 posts
Nov 29, 2008
4:17 PM
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Like I said Pete....if you have any questions give me a call. Cell # 216-513-4422 Iam in Ohio
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Fly High and Roll On
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Snake Doctor
335 posts
Nov 29, 2008
6:04 PM
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Hey Jammer,
What you described is exactly the way I snake proof my bird dogs. I use a White Oak Snake, non-poisonous, it will vibrate its tail to simulate the sound of a rattler so I get the bonus of snake smell and sound.
For some reason dogs are naturally curious about snakes but after a few sessions with the E collar the dogs will alert that there is a snake close but they won't get within striking distance.
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Windjammer Loft
564 posts
Nov 30, 2008
12:56 PM
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SD......I have found that whatever it is that you are trying to teach a dog, its the "repetition" of the exercise that really makes the difference. No matter what it is that you are working with, I have found that the E-collar does the job. I've used it many many times in the past for various training and will continue to ues it in the future....
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Electric-man
2140 posts
Nov 30, 2008
2:54 PM
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Sal Ortiz's dog!
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Val
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Windjammer Loft
565 posts
Nov 30, 2008
3:58 PM
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Val......Sal has to have one of the most scariest looking dogs yet.......LOL
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Fly High and Roll On
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PR_rollers
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2017 posts
Nov 30, 2008
5:30 PM
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LoL val that dog will keep the owner away lol..
Paul is right about the training with the shock coller.that is what I use to train my pit he likes to dig and eat grass well now he doesn't even look at the grass pisses and dodo on it with pleasure but don't dig or eat..
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Snake Doctor
336 posts
Nov 30, 2008
6:00 PM
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Paul, you are so right about the repetition, I've always been a Lab man, and they will train themselves if you don't screw them up! I got turned on to Field Bred English Cockers a few years ago and they are another story, I have to stay on my toes as they will try to train me. They are also much more place oriented than my Labs I have to train in several different locations to keep things interesting.
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Windjammer Loft
566 posts
Dec 02, 2008
6:40 AM
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Ralph.....thanks for the back-up....
SD....To bad I can't get as good aresult with my birds,like I do with my dog training......LOL.
Seriously though, their are many breeds of dogs that will EASILY train their handlers in a heart beat. I see this in all my classes that I train. English Cockers are a very high level energy dog in the field. The excitement level is almost like watching a good kit of rollers in action.....lol. One diffinately has to stay on their toes when working with alot of the field dogs. As far as Labs.....well lets just say in comparison with the English the Labs are overall MORE flat in their working ability and enthusium.... It's all a very interesting and exciting, training dogs or managing your birds. Just stay focused and MOSTLY enjoy them all.....
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Hector Coya
301 posts
Dec 04, 2008
2:55 PM
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 My puppy at 7 months
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elopez
1824 posts
Dec 04, 2008
3:12 PM
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He is looking nice Hector. He almost looks as good as his father..lol His half brother is huge and looks real nice.
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getiton
180 posts
Dec 04, 2008
3:28 PM
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my dog...takes great kare of my rollers.
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gotspin7
2073 posts
Dec 04, 2008
5:03 PM
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Paul, that is my guardian of the roller loft!...LOL...
Getiton, nice one!
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