George R.
1185 posts
Nov 28, 2008
9:18 PM
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First let me give my qualifications. I have raised Rollers since 1933 with a few years off for World War 2 and a few years living in furnished rooms when I first married. And during that time I have watched many Rollers from almost every state in the union and Canada. Some of them in the air and some in coops. But they cant roll in a show coop so we will forget about them.
So here we go into the flying strains of Rollers. Some like them to fly long and not roll at all, some like them to roll like heck for a few minutes and then land, while still others like them to fly an hour or so and still roll deep. Others like them to roll all at once on the turn. that is well and good . I am not telling anyone how to train their Birds or what they should like, but I DO DISAGREE WITH THE FELLOW WHO SAYS THAT EVERY ROLLER THAT IS A TIGHT ROLLER SHOULD SHOW A HOLE IN THE CENTER WHEN IT IS ROLLING.
Of course the larger the hole the looser the roll, that is correct. Also if it is a small hole the Bird is rolling tighter , BUT IF THERE IS NO HOLE THEN THAT BIRD IS ROLLING TIGHTEST AND IT CAN BE DONE.
in fact , I'll bet that many of you fellows that have tight spinners do have such Birds. but you just have not looked close enough. so next time you get your Birds up and they are at the right angle for you to see them perform properly , get some powerful pair of glasses and look for that hole. IF IT IS A GOOD TIGHT ROLL YOU JUST WONT SEE IT.
Now dont get me wrong, all of my Birds do not roll as tight as I want them to , but some of them do and I am trying to breed them to my standard, which is a smaller or NO HOLE. Perhaps some of you might not agree with me , but it can be DONE.
By Roger Baker
Member of the N.B.R.C. Hall of fame
Last Edited by on Nov 28, 2008 9:59 PM
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brudahpete
234 posts
Nov 28, 2008
9:25 PM
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First of all, I would like to say that it was a pleasure to read your post sir! That's one heck of a long time raising these birds and you probably have seen them all. Thanks for setting the bench mark for us youngsters!
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George R.
1186 posts
Nov 28, 2008
9:26 PM
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Looks Like Roger Baker seen that Rollers back in the day were evolving to what they have Become Today!
The novice
George
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brudahpete
235 posts
Nov 28, 2008
9:39 PM
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I've been into rollers a long time but realy value those long lifers of my Daddy's generation!
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2330 posts
Nov 29, 2008
1:07 AM
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I was Looking at some videos of rollers
One Big roller fancier said the hole was just an illusion ?
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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j .wanless
487 posts
Nov 29, 2008
4:09 AM
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hi all
rudy the fancier you are talking about was the great
bill barrett u.k.he is almost as famous as bill pensom
but im afraid bill was wrong as i think most of us who keep rollers have seen the hole at some time .but as george r .says rollers have evolved since the old days.ive wrote about this before ive had rollers almost 40 years .when i was about 15 yrs i had a red flecked cock from ken white .every time he rolled + you seen him from the side he showed the hole .i used to show him off to all my friends as we thought he was fantastic.but as the years went by i realised he was not as good as we all thought.in the end i gave him to a friend as i had started to get birds that where much faster than him .these birds showed no hole at all they showed what we call the blur.and like george r said its what i call evolution.like every thing cars. planes. bikes. athelites.rollers .
over the years they all have become faster.i laugh when people say you can not breed rollers that are any faster than the birds in pensoms days.im not that old so i cant say that .but i can comment on the next generation of greats from the u.k.who have won more competitions than pensom ever won the great bob brown + bill barrett people who have done more in the roller world in my eyes than any one else have ever done.but i can tell you now without a shadow of a doubt that there is birds in my area that are faster by far than the birds that bob + bill used to fly.like ive said its called evaloution.
Last Edited by on Nov 29, 2008 4:15 AM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2333 posts
Nov 29, 2008
4:20 AM
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Mr wanless you are Right it was Bill Barrett...
Did not wanted to say the names fancier...
I had a couple of dvd and vhs,lended to me there is where i saw it...
In matter of fact u were in video too....lol
If not mistaken is where u open loft and the birds were stolen ??
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Shadow
282 posts
Nov 29, 2008
4:58 AM
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Rudy
Dont think John was in that video,beleive the person you are refering to is John Huntington,but its an easy mistake to make,as they do look alike,and are same age group. L.O.L.
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j .wanless
488 posts
Nov 29, 2008
5:10 AM
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hi rudy
how dare you mix me up with the other john lol.no the one in the video is another old timer lol an old friend of mine john huntington.i will see him tomorrow
as we have our all england show.john + an ex american will mccrae used to do all the old videos it was hunnty as we call him who had is birds stollen.tomorrows show will get all the top flyers in the u.k together so im going to do a video of the day
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j .wanless
489 posts
Nov 29, 2008
5:40 AM
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hey rudy dont believe everything shadow says .as his mind is slowly going.he is probly the only one left who can say he used to talk to bill pensom i think all the rest have gone lol,
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colinb
182 posts
Nov 29, 2008
8:23 AM
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yea i always get mixed up with john wanless and hunnty i think its cos thay look so much alike and are about the same age
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
GOLD MEMBER
2334 posts
Nov 29, 2008
9:04 AM
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Those were good videos.......lol
I fly the mason line....
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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rottweiler
32 posts
Nov 29, 2008
11:25 AM
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just got started back up by hunty ive known him over 30 years i can remember bill mccraes loft blowing over years ago and we all went up to push it back in to place and cable it down
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ezeedad
832 posts
Nov 29, 2008
2:20 PM
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I believe that Bill Pensom attempted to include the hole as being part of the performance standard of the Birmingham Roller for a reason.
Could it be that this style element seperates the eilte from the commonplace? It could well be...
I have been conflicted over this Hole issue because it is true that the fastest spinning birds are the ones that ball up tightest. Also, probably speed is the most important characteristic...
There are a lot of fast birds that ball up, showing no hole. but there are not many that have blur speed and show the hole. I have chosen to try to follow in Pensom's footsteps... To each his own..
Paul G
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