George R.
1191 posts
Dec 02, 2008
7:35 PM
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I have seen my share of crested rollers and I will say that they do spin, BUT they dont hold the spin for very long , I talked to a friend Mike Maravia and he said that the Crest will hold the roll for a month at the most , then they will rolldown ( SPLAT ).
I guess any bird that has Roller in it can Spin but can the Bird LAST for years with the ability to control the Spin , I DONT THINK SO..
anyway If a person likes breeding for Crest that there Choice, but I wont hold my Breath waiting to see a whole kit of crest performing and lasting for a Season or two I dont think that can happen .
but to those that are trying to breed such birds, I wish you all the luck in the World because breeding GOOD Rollers is hard enough but trying to breed rollers with Odditys is even harder.
The Novice
George
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2033 posts
Dec 02, 2008
7:47 PM
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George do you think there is any truth to that statement>I have seen my share of crested rollers and I will say that they do spin, BUT they dont hold the spin for very long ,
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Wouldn't Hector have gotten out those birds if they roll down or have any left since they all roll down withen a month..
Ralph
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Ralph
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George R.
1194 posts
Dec 02, 2008
7:52 PM
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ask Hector, Ralph .. also my friend said that the RUSSIAN TUMBLER was used to get the Crest.
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2008 7:54 PM
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Hector Coya
294 posts
Dec 02, 2008
8:40 PM
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Hey George
Mike Maraviov is a friend of mine,like you are.
Mike is a strait forword guy,he has never denide that he made his crest,yeas he crossed a russian tumbler to get his crest,and yea i got a cock from him to cross with my crest,the outcome was poor,he put too much roll in his creation and they do rolldown early.
I got rid of his becouse they did roll down for me too.
I continued with the one i got from that old man Jerrie,and the one i got from Henry,those have produced real good and some not so good like any pair whould.
I have a hen the has flown for 2 W/C pre,2 F/F pre,twice bred and reintroduced to the kit to be as good as it was the year before,i bet we both have some birds that after a seosson of breeding they rolldown.I could pull this hen and in one week she whould blow your minde.
I still have a long way to go,i still get rolldowns,but the few that are not ,they are some fast deep birds.
I keped one offspring from the Maraviov stuff,and let me tell you i mate that bird to anything and the young spinn there asss off.
This spring im hopping to get a hole kit up.
Hector Coya-SGVS
Last Edited by on Dec 02, 2008 8:41 PM
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George R.
1196 posts
Dec 02, 2008
8:45 PM
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good luck Hector and I hope it works out for you .
Does the Hen you flew for two season have the crest or is it out of some Crest but dont show the crest ?
george
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Hector Coya
295 posts
Dec 02, 2008
8:56 PM
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She has a full crest,right now i have her son doing about 20 ft and holding also fullcrest,will see,if the hawks dont get him he may hold the roll.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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fresnobirdman
248 posts
Dec 02, 2008
10:08 PM
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does any one have a picture of what a "crest" looks like?
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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George R.
1198 posts
Dec 02, 2008
10:21 PM
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SERBIAN HIGHFLYERS !!!!!!!!!!!
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roller heaven
29 posts
Dec 03, 2008
4:05 AM
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If a roller is a spinner and bred right it will spin and not roll down. if A crested is bred right it will not roll down depend on the person who breeds it.The birds in the cage look a type of high flyer mixed with rollers.Stan Arnold has crested rollers and they spin very well and deep.He would fly them for years and would not get roll downs.
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J_Star
1794 posts
Dec 03, 2008
6:12 AM
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Those look like homers. Check Stan Arnold's stuff. His look like rollers. Hector, please post a picture of yours.
Jay
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spinningdemon
29 posts
Dec 03, 2008
9:17 AM
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Hector has some awesome looking birds I have seen the photos please Hector when you get a second post a few for us.
David Curneal
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Hector Coya
296 posts
Dec 03, 2008
2:31 PM
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Those do not look like rollers,
Ill try and post some os mine,hopefully they look better,,LOL
Hector Coya-SGVS
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quality
43 posts
Dec 03, 2008
3:26 PM
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Yes Stan Arnold has some pretty good crested rollers, but also keep in mind he raises 300 young a year. He used to fly in the World Fly and when I judged them, out of 20 birds, 1 each time I would call a fast spinning pigeon, the rest just average rollers.
Crests are like muffed, it depends how much time & patience you have.
I have muffed birds back to Skidmore stuff, from Bob Brown & Bill Barrett. They are as good as anything I have ever seen.
Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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George R.
1203 posts
Dec 03, 2008
7:42 PM
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Hector I had a Old pictures of your crest .
Last Edited by on Dec 03, 2008 7:58 PM
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George R.
1204 posts
Dec 03, 2008
7:44 PM
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You Guys are right the first picture I posted are SERBIAN HIGHFLYERS
Last Edited by on Dec 03, 2008 7:45 PM
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Hector Coya
297 posts
Dec 03, 2008
9:09 PM
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Hector Coya
298 posts
Dec 03, 2008
9:12 PM
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Hector Coya
299 posts
Dec 03, 2008
9:15 PM
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The blue chk on top was the one i got from Mike Maraviov.
He did produce too many rolldowns,ask Spanky ,if one of the fastes spinning birds he ever saw,was a daughter of that chk.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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SpinCityRollers
246 posts
Dec 04, 2008
12:20 AM
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THERe Is NO sUCH THING AS A Crested Roller.
It a pigeon with a crest that rolls because it was cross with a roller
The Name Is for the bird is ACRESRollgrel. The pronounced (A) (Cres) (Rol) (Grill) A. C. R. G
Mad MAx Named it an it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!1
Last Edited by on Dec 04, 2008 12:20 AM
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3757
1074 posts
Dec 04, 2008
5:25 AM
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That is the reason after all of these years there are only two people I would use a bird from if I needed one. The birds today have all kinds of stuff in there and you might end up with a pink one, scoop tail and a Jacobin head. It may perform well but it is just not my thing. Even some of the guys who I thought were strict are now loose as to what they bring in. Maybe I am old fashion.
Last Edited by on Dec 04, 2008 6:31 AM
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spinningdemon
30 posts
Dec 04, 2008
6:12 AM
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LaRon you are not old fashioned you just know what you like. I like a bird that has the heat and can show it off.
I also love the look of different things and just a coop of all the same stuff is just a bit to limiting for me. Yes you can have a flock of hot performers that are all red checks or blue bars or black checks oh sorry for mentioning all that color LOL I just prefer a kit of birds that looks nice when it is flying around the coop as when its spinning up in the clouds.
Like I said if it spins it has a home.
David Curneal
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spanky
684 posts
Dec 04, 2008
4:05 PM
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MAD MAX YOU ARE HATEING ON THIS BIRDS. THIS BIRDS CAN ROLL FAST AND HARD LIKE YOUR BIRDS OR ANY ELSE'S BIRDS. ONE OF THE FASTES BIRD I SEEN WAS A CREST FROM HECTOR COYA.
SPANKY
SGVS
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gotspin7
2066 posts
Dec 04, 2008
4:50 PM
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Anytime you move away from the breed to make them special (fancy colors or crests) you are not helping the breed at all you are helping polute it and you are actually destroying it. But to each his own, you buy the feed right. (roll fast or not) does not mean a thing!
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Sal Ortiz
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spanky
685 posts
Dec 05, 2008
4:14 PM
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I DID HAVE A PAIR OF CREST BUT I GOT RID OFF IT.TO MUCH ROLL DEEP. NOW I'M WORKING WITH THE BEST FAMILY FOR ME, JOHNNY SMITH,HIGGENS,REED. AND A LIL SOME SOME FROM ABEL IBARRA.
SPANKY
SGVS
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
84 posts
Dec 05, 2008
6:10 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
For what it is worth..I have a good friend who has bred both crest and ice into his rollers. It has taken him some time to breed these factors into his birds. They roll just like the rest of his birds. He bred the characteristic in and then culled hard. I have a hen ice I got from him, she is not for sale. I will post her picture in the A.M. she is beautiful and a true spinner...
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spinningdemon
41 posts
Dec 06, 2008
2:50 PM
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Hector thanks for the photos, I am excited to see them spin.
Mike I look forward to seeing photos of the ice project. I have seen some ice birds around here but they still need some work on the spin. I did see one that had no problem breaking the 20' mark but the speed was lacking.
Anyone working on powder blue?
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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Scott
1341 posts
Dec 06, 2008
3:16 PM
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Sheez , what a mess, no respect for the breed what so-ever.
Last Edited by on Dec 06, 2008 3:22 PM
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spanky
688 posts
Dec 06, 2008
3:41 PM
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WHO CARE'S HAT PEOPLE DO WITH THERE BIRDS. CRY BABYS
SPANKY
SGVS
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2083 posts
Dec 06, 2008
4:01 PM
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I have to admit when I was a kid I love crested Helmets ,crested Turbans too now these birds would fly high but not roll.for some reason I just don't like them on the Birmingham rollers maybe its just me.. but to each its own... Whats in your back ward is not my business..but if it bring peace and happiness to you more power to you..
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Ralph
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spanky
691 posts
Dec 06, 2008
5:18 PM
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RALPH THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SPANKY
SGVS
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SpinCityRollers
247 posts
Dec 06, 2008
11:59 PM
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Heated What is so heated about my post.
I just said there not birmingham rollers just like other colors birds and gave them a name didnt comment about there spin or there ability to do so they are crossbreds and thats a fact.
It really dont matter to me as long as a person is happy with his own stock in his yardthen i am happy for them .People knock my andalusians but i dont care there mongrels they say !!!
Here at spincity loft there American Color Roller Pigeons (ACRP)
And I luv them and that all that matters
Mad Max (Not Heated)
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2093 posts
Dec 07, 2008
9:03 AM
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Mad Hated not heated...I like the way you name your Andalusians >ACRP) not Birmingham rollers ...thats what I'm talking about if you ever sell me a pair of Andalusians you wouldn't tell me they are Birmingham rollers ..that s not what a lot of ppl doing today..
Ralph
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spinningdemon
50 posts
Dec 07, 2008
9:12 AM
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ACRP first time I heard that I have heard of american rollers but they are rollers only by name. They have turned into a show only breed. Just like the american flying tumbler. Tumblers only by name.
World class feather puffs "WCFP" would be a better name for both of those breeds.
Anyway to each his own. I would rather have people raising what they like then not be in the hobby at all.
For me though it has got to fly and spin, or it will be in the soup not in the coop.
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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Hector Coya
303 posts
Dec 07, 2008
11:47 AM
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Im not worried about what anyone thinks about the crest,or andelusians,(wich i have a few),
Half of the people that are saying there crosses,havent even ever flown in competition or havent flown a kit better than mine,the half that have,i respect there opinion.
Hector Coya_sgvs
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George R.
1230 posts
Dec 07, 2008
12:36 PM
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Hector as long as you are happy that is what counts.
Everyone likes different things and that is all good,
George
Last Edited by on Dec 07, 2008 12:38 PM
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spinningdemon
52 posts
Dec 07, 2008
2:45 PM
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Hector I love the crested I have got to get to your place get me some.
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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Hector Coya
304 posts
Dec 07, 2008
2:48 PM
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Whenever your in so,Cal ,give me a call
Hector Coya-SGVS
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cv rollers
159 posts
Dec 07, 2008
11:38 PM
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i have seen hectors crest roll like crazy,rite on hector i got some birds from fil (i am sure they come from ur stuff)i gave them to my brother in law in arizona ,he called me the other day told me they were throwing out crest......he is bringing them down for xmas for me ,says his are rolling real good ,cant wait i will post them up as soon as i get them
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3757
1096 posts
Dec 08, 2008
7:28 AM
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"as long as you are happy that is what counts.
Everyone likes different things and that is all good."
George - I have to say the above statement is truly what counts!
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Edgar
515 posts
Dec 08, 2008
1:19 PM
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Theres always going to be people saying negative stuff about other peoples birds even in the roller game theres HATERS oh yeah we got a few that get on this site to.Ive had guys on this site talk bad about others people and there birds and then I go on the live chat and catch them talking to who yeah the same guy this guy didnt like and running his mouth about how good that guys birds are funny shit but very true. The way I see it is if you aint got nothing positive to say keep your got dam trap shut Peace.
"Amezquita's Loft"
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Edgar
516 posts
Dec 08, 2008
1:21 PM
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Great looking birds Hector.
"Amezquita's Loft"
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cvr(FR3rd)
125 posts
Dec 08, 2008
5:26 PM
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whats up hector spanky im with u who cares what u do with ur birds
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Fernando Ruelas
CVR
Ruelas loft
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THISROLL
215 posts
Dec 08, 2008
5:30 PM
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EDGARD, that is very true..theres this one person that criticize this site but then he was using this chat yesturday..we call them people TWO FACED..
this quote i read from somebody..
"There are many roller guys, but few are roller men"
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2106 posts
Dec 08, 2008
6:12 PM
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And many two faces multiply that you get a whole bunch..
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Ralph
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Norm_Knox
234 posts
Dec 08, 2008
7:33 PM
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My family has raised Serbian Highflyers for some 100 + years as I am from Bosnia. The pictures of birds that I have seen on Hector Coyas site look nothing like them. They have no any characteristics to the Serbian Highflyer (body,eye,beak,....). Now the pictures dont show everything, but that is my opinion ....
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N/A Loft
Last Edited by on Dec 08, 2008 7:38 PM
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ezeedad
891 posts
Dec 11, 2008
4:04 PM
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Genetically speaking, the fact that a bird has a crest has nothing to do with how it rolls. By this I mean that the genes for crest are inherited independently from those that produce roll. This, is according to one of the basic rules of genetics, the Law of Independent Assortment.
If birds having crests have good or bad roller characteristics it is because of other genes...not the crest gene. So it could be that some of these birds are tha result of crosses or poor roller breeding. But the crests themselves have nothing to do with roll.
Paul G
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brudahpete
314 posts
Dec 11, 2008
6:36 PM
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This coming Monday, I'll take delivery of some bellnecks from Tom Monson. His dad bred this line of roller over many years. You will not find two more respected roller men in the entire country. Mr. Monson was an experimentor and thus we have the bellneck. I beleive he left a great mark on the breed with this strain of bird even though the roll was affected by his dedication to color.
To all who are working on whatever genetics, more power to you. You may well come up with a real firecracker of a bird. Just remember, if it doesn't please you, go back to square one! I'm sure that the original Birminghams were created through this same meathod of trial & error. Good luck & God speed!
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