George R.
1234 posts
Dec 11, 2008
7:23 PM
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if you had a friend that had some poor specimans of Rollers and he asked you if his Birds were good , would you tell him the TRUTH or lie just to keep his friendship.
PS. I am not saying anyones Birds are not good just asking and trying to learn How to survive in pigeon politics.
George
Last Edited by on Dec 11, 2008 7:26 PM
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TheGame
343 posts
Dec 11, 2008
7:26 PM
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Tell them the truth and offer some good birds...
I wouldn't just bash him/her right away either. I would explain why I think his/her bird aren't that great and what makes mine better...
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brudahpete
321 posts
Dec 11, 2008
7:28 PM
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Honesty goes a lot farther than flattery. Tact does as well, so don't do it in an offensive way and be prepared with a solution if you cherish the friendship. I would appreciate constructive critisism if it were given without meaness. Help the guy out.
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George R.
1235 posts
Dec 11, 2008
7:35 PM
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The reason I ask is when I had some Birds back in the day I would ask friends that came to my house if they were good and they would say " man you got a piece of history,man those Birds are bred great just look at all those Champs on the Peds, .
man but when I went to Jerrys Higgins and John Jones houses and seen there Birds I knew that what I had was not even close to compete with .
George
Last Edited by on Dec 11, 2008 7:35 PM
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brudahpete
322 posts
Dec 11, 2008
7:42 PM
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Peds don't mean anything in the sky. A pedegree in the pigeon world is just a note to the breeder of where that particular bird came from. Factors like elevation, climate & other issues may affect families in a way that they won't perform as well as their original location. It may take a couple of generations of breeding to get it back. Lots of luck, my friend.
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lionel
89 posts
Dec 11, 2008
8:19 PM
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If he asks your opinion and you don’t know what the persons breeding for or what his goals are –
(Just because you think they’re junk doesn’t give you the right to say they are).
That friend might like certain traits that he thinks are good and his working with - and you might push the wrong buttons.
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Lionel
Last Edited by on Dec 11, 2008 8:20 PM
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929 posts
Dec 11, 2008
8:38 PM
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GOOD ONE GEORGE
I WILL TELL HIM THE TRUTH AND I ALSO WILL LIKE TO KNOW THE TRUTH TOO...
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EVILLOFT'S
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fresnobirdman
290 posts
Dec 11, 2008
9:39 PM
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I'd tell him the truth.
i mean commom man, he or she is just your friend,
they wont think wrong that your hating on them.
friends stick out of each other right?
why would you lie to him anyways?
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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Spin City USA
143 posts
Dec 11, 2008
10:51 PM
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A cull is a cull, whether its at my house or at yours, but there is a way to be tackful and inform your friend about his birds especially if they are newbies. They may not know any better,and like yourself they will be able to know the difference when they see the real deal. Never lie, the truth always works best. You really dont have to say anything,just show them the truth
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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BA Rollers
151 posts
Dec 11, 2008
10:58 PM
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It's simple. Just ask the person if they are happy or satisfied with their birds. That is all that really matters in the big picture. If he says he is happy with them, then so be it. If he says he isn't, then he answered his own question.
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Alohazona
514 posts
Dec 11, 2008
11:30 PM
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George,
At this point in my life,I always tell the truth in regards to roller quality.One thing I can tell you is you cannot judge a man's birds from any one fly.If they can put on a show time and time again,that cannot be denied.
I go in and out of being happy with my birds,as long as I am improving is all that matters to me.The more one focus's on their birds,the more improvement they will show.I am not talking about ,sitting in a chair ,drinking a beer and thinking about it....Aloha,Todd
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3757
1104 posts
Dec 12, 2008
6:09 AM
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George - Were your friends judging the birds in the air (after viewing them numerous times)? If not, then the judgment did not mean anything at all. Also, if they did see them in the air they may only be judging them by the highest level of quality they have seen. If the judgment was based on the ground it means nothing at all. There are some individuals’ who judge rollers without seeing them fly . Then they go and get a "pretty” pigeon with a pretty pedigree and it is total butt wipe when it comes to aerial ability.
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2008 6:09 AM
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THISROLL
235 posts
Dec 12, 2008
6:57 AM
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i would tell the truth..if you tell the truth you guys could still be freinds lol..its not like if you lie to him then you guys cant be friends..and if his rollers aren't good(your opinion) and you tell the truth thats his fault for asking hahah just kidding..just dont say that his/her birds sucks..give them a push to get better ones.
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kopetsa
2518 posts
Dec 12, 2008
7:01 AM
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say they are nice, but say to him "I have some pretty good ones, you want some to try for a bit?" lol :)
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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maxspin
330 posts
Dec 12, 2008
7:52 AM
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This is why I am such a proponent of participating in competitions. Lets see if I remember how it was phrased to me.
By a judge in my first Fall Fly.
"I would hate to see a guy spend several years working with some birds and never be able to get where they want to be"
"looks like you are a good manager"
If you lie you are not being a friend!
Keith Maxwell
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fresnobirdman
296 posts
Dec 12, 2008
3:57 PM
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lol. thats right maxspin.
"If you lie you are not being a friend!"- maxspin
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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fhtfire
1710 posts
Dec 12, 2008
4:06 PM
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When I first started out...I had some birds that...well let me say were not what they were "claimed" to be...If it was not for Scott Campbell and Joe Urbon telling me the truth....It would have wasted more time then I should have. Scott said the birds were not up to par....and Joe Urbon said the same thing to that effect....and I THANK THEM for there honesty....Scott even gave me birds too....anyway....that is my two cents...it is better to be honest but tactful.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Pumpkin Man
35 posts
Dec 12, 2008
5:04 PM
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As long as you can offer help I think it's ok. Just don't talk about his dog. That may be too risky. I got a hunting lab and my buddy has a pet lab. We take them both duck hunting and I have to bite my lip. My dog gets the birds cause his is scared of them.
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birdman
674 posts
Dec 12, 2008
5:47 PM
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George, it depends on who the friend is.
Some friends are sensitive to criticism and some have thicker skins.
If your friend is the sensitive type you have to be careful with what you say.
If your friend is like most of us then tell him the truth straight out, but be ready to show him something better.
Russ
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