Windjammer Loft
597 posts
Dec 12, 2008
12:50 PM
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It has come to my attention that there are some newbies that just don't deserve any help. Iam sick and tired of the caviler smartass atitude, the know it all attitude, not knowing forum etiquette especially and the lack of respect for the experienced fanciers. It needs to STOP immediately. If the shoe fits, wear it....
I will be very careful from this point on as to WHOM I offer my advise.....
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2008 12:52 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2970 posts
Dec 12, 2008
1:20 PM
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Hey Paul, I observe some of the same, I think it is a sign of the times. We are in a culture lacking respect for one another and which promotes in your face antics through reality tv shows. I think you should watch the posts of newbies and not bother with responding to the smart-alecks.
If anyone has any ideas how to fix this, I am listening. Right now, I approve virtually anyone to post. Maybe we should make it so that someone has to "sponsor" a person into membership and is responsible for that person...thoughts??
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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brudahpete
328 posts
Dec 12, 2008
1:49 PM
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I've always enjoyed the mentoring style as a way to teach someone. I can understand Paul's frustration as it seems that to a few you are casting pearls before swine. I would encourage all new members of this forum to really listen, watch and observe. There are some really serious pigeon fanciers here who take a lot of pride in their craft, you can learn a ton by reading the threads. It's great to ask questions but be respectful. Please!
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rollerpigeon1963
280 posts
Dec 12, 2008
2:06 PM
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Paul,
Now you see why I don't post much here. I've been a member for I don't know how many years and still not many post. I do post on topics I have experience with and will speak my view. I have made a lot of friends on here and help as many as I can. But when you read some of these post you wonder what is going on.
Sorry Tony its just the way I feel nothing more but I will still post but only to those who mind to listen. Some times I wonder if they all are just kids. Don't know and hate to mention this but since it was brought up.
Best of luck
Brian Middaugh
LOL 280 post in what 4 to 5 years? You can tell I talk a lot LOL LOL
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cv rollers
175 posts
Dec 12, 2008
2:22 PM
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windjammer sorry if i offended you, i appaligize, i do learn alot from u veterans of the sport .mabe i read ur response wrong but when u dish it out u should be able to take it .only because we are new does not mean we are kids and u should not belittle some one just trying to learn .u did not have to commit on my question,then delete it so no one can read it!! like i said i appaligize my email elrepairman@hot mail.com if u would like to contact me
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Windjammer Loft
598 posts
Dec 12, 2008
2:44 PM
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Tony...I wil first try to address you..Your absolutely right about the times. But with all respect I do think that the new members should take heed. Learn the etiqutte for the forum. Watch--Listen--And respect the members of this site... The moderators and yourself should hold them accountable for it.. Maybe have them on a probationary period of some sort.. New members are very hard to come by and Iam not sure the sponsorship would work all that well. The whole thing boils down to lack of respect in a nut shell...
Brian...I completely understand where you are coming from... that just might be the path I'll have to take.....thanks
cv rollers....you didn't offend me at all. But you response pushed me over the egde. It was just the manner in which you responded.... I offer you some advise about another site where you could get any type of information about any type of pigeon And your response to me was like a slap in the face...
Not what I expected from some newbie (notice I didn't say kid) that I was trying to HELP. SO I will no longer offer any help to you from here on out. sorry, that's just the way it will be..
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2008 2:52 PM
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fontanabound
25 posts
Dec 12, 2008
3:47 PM
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hey dont let one bad apple ruin it for all, i appreciate all the advise i got from this site. and i got respect all.
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Newbie 08
45 posts
Dec 12, 2008
7:39 PM
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I'm pretty new to the site maybe 5 months just started back raising. I have always respected the knowledge and wisdom here and it has helped me not only understand the work that goes into working with these birds but also given me a thirst to be good at this. Kind of want to change my screen name from newbie. Don't want anyone looking at me cock eyed because of someone else's unappreciation. LOL
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THISROLL
244 posts
Dec 12, 2008
7:56 PM
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Paul i know who you are talking about.. that person is me..the only reason that i sayd that to WATTS UP was because he was being rude to Mr.kopesta post about his one bird kit video..he had deleted his harsh comment on there and made it seem as i started it. I am really sorry. i keep on hearing people say bad stuff about this site and i just had to stand up for the people on this site. Mr.Kopesta included..
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cv rollers
176 posts
Dec 12, 2008
8:29 PM
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windjammer i did apologize and i did say i might of read your response the wrong way,we all make mistakes i was a man to apologize .you did not accept my apology and thats ok !as far as not helping me any more thats ok also others know that we are not perfect and we do make mistakes and will continue helping US newbe's ,thank you any ways ..apologize to offer an apology or excuse for some fault, insult, failure, or injury: He apologized for accusing her falsely.
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2120 posts
Dec 12, 2008
9:31 PM
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Newbie 08 I agree with you change that name to oldie lol..now that you still have a chance to catch up to your number posted..jk..
I can understand what is going on here sometimes a person can take so much. but if a man apologize I think that person shows his remorse and should be given a second chance now that's how I am ..not everyone is the same ...the way I see it you will be able to see if the person change his ways or not..
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This Roll I know where you coming from..Tony took care of that..
Brian M. you one of the ones I have great respect for in the way you post and your way of teaching when I received my hat from tony I had notice the number of post you had and it was a little too late but I wanted to tell Tony to send you the hat instead of me..peace..
Tony I don't think we should monitor who we sponsor or be responsible for him or her because sometimes you don't know a person true colors until you bring him in...but I do believe we should tell that person first hand >read the posting policy and just the other day I ask a friend to join and learn all about this beautiful breed but I told him read the policy first..and read around their is alot of posting read read read..
Ralph
Last Edited by on Dec 12, 2008 9:37 PM
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velocity1
41 posts
Dec 12, 2008
9:47 PM
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Quit your crying!Everyone will get on someone's nerve's every now and then.Just ignore it and move on but as for you guy's saying i wont help a person because he hit a soar spot get a life.You sound like my kids when they fight.
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gotspin7
2093 posts
Dec 13, 2008
4:00 AM
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Velocity, lol...
Windjammerloft, If you are here to help, help and do not let someone bring you down playa! Keep on moving and shaking, if that is why you are here to share your experience with these wonderfull feathered creatures we call ours....lol
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Sal Ortiz
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Windjammer Loft
599 posts
Dec 13, 2008
6:39 AM
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Tony...I sent you an email with hopes to help improve the Posting Policy. Please contact me privately for further discussion on this topic. I would like to help eliminate these problems....
THISROLL...believe me it was not YOU that triggered this post.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 13, 2008 6:51 AM
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rollerpigeon1963
281 posts
Dec 13, 2008
7:08 AM
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Paul, Tony.
You cant make this forum that tight where people can't post. It takes away from us being individuals. We all have something to offer to the hobby. Some might be ble to help now and some might be able to help down the road. But we all have a place that we can share our ideas in this hobby. And I think Tony will also agree its here on this forum.
I am on many forums and sometime I post and some times I just read them. It's not a competition on how many post I can make but how much value my post are. I have met many of you in backyards of other watching birds. And if you have met me I love to talk. Paul I remember when you and I met in the Canton/Akron area during one of the FDB flys. Man we talked so long we missed some of the auction. But I believe I made a friend that day and I think I can view my feeling on here and you will know where I'm coming from.
But some of the post on here allows you to know more about a person before you actually meet them. And again you can be reading there post wrong or taking it the wrong way from what the poster was implying.
Paul I read just about every post on here and try my best to answer some of the questions. But there is a lot of post that both me but I keep it to myself. Like the ones that say hey dude how are you today? if you have to post something like that just send them a private? But I don't believe if you say you can't do that it might offend someone and they take it the wrong way and get mad and quit posting and reading the post on this site. So Tony can be put between a rock and a hard spot about this.
But where you and I come from must be old school. Where you respect one another first. Then once you meet them you can make your honest opinion about them. Because posting on a forum with out the vision on someones actions when they talk really takes away from what they mean. Maybe they didn't ues a LOL or a happy icon to express how they were feeling at the time. But they might have meant it.
Paul where you and I come from its give respect and you should receive respect. I have people that don't like me and or my post but I don't let it dampen my spirits I just select the people I will reply to. Just like when you go out on a fly you stand around talking to people but you notice a load mouth yelling and carrying on. We might not walk over and talk to him because of his actions. Thats how most choose there freinds. We wont be friends with everyone on this forum but there might be someone who is.
Sorry for this being long winded and not to the point but I felt I had to say something to balance both sides.
Ralph you are the man. not because you like my post but the way you post yourself. You are one of those people you meet in cyber world and really want to meet in someones backyard or in there backyard. Glad I could help you with my post. Thanks for the thought but I will get a hat one of these days LOL LOL.
This post wasn't directed to no one or any post by others. I was just expressing how I feel about the post without merit.
Last Edited by on Dec 13, 2008 7:09 AM
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Windjammer Loft
600 posts
Dec 13, 2008
7:41 AM
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Brian......your absolutely right about our relationship.. The day of that FBD fly, we did start along lasting friendship and to this day I thank you for that. You have been a great help to me, as well as many others.
All Iam asking for Brian, is that everyone thourghly read and understand the policies of this forum. Fill out all proper account info. Show respect, follow the guidelines and understand that this forum has an etiquett proceedure.... It's that simple. Now that's not asking for too much, is it??
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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TLB
9 posts
Dec 13, 2008
7:17 PM
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I joined this site after reading all of your post for 6mos. I have raised rollers for most of the last 45 years, and my birds have taught me alot, I have enjoyed reading most of the post, In all respected to everyone, Its my hope that we keep the sport of kings, our birds, to the level that made me what to join this forum.
TLB
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Electric-man
2191 posts
Dec 13, 2008
8:16 PM
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I have been here like 3 yrs now and I'm still glad to be a part of this site! Been a few bumps in the road, but its been a good ride! I'll be here tomorrow too!
I still don't know poop from shinola compared to most of you guys, but I feel I've come along ways due to this site and some great people here!
Hats off to the people that had to learn all this stuff the hard way, before computers were around!
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Val
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