kopetsa
2543 posts
Dec 17, 2008
11:37 AM
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Ok so my Indian Fantails are now mated together. Can I put them in an open loft with the rollers to breed right now or will they cross.. I though birds will only incubate eggs that that know they fertilized. In some case when people have gotten junky crosses, it was because they probably didn't see each bird incubate the eggs.. I am in in the morning, afternoon, night, so I will see which birds are incubating the egg. My question, if both Indian Fantail parents are incubating the eggs, are the for sure the parents. I have never had a cross before.. When I used to breed rollers open loft like a million years ago.. ;)
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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kopetsa
2544 posts
Dec 17, 2008
11:37 AM
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Thanks a lot!
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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TT
GOLD MEMBER
251 posts
Dec 17, 2008
11:51 AM
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It goes for the same for every other paired bird in a open loft, Are they really the true parents? we will always know who the mother is, Now if the fantails have cross breed it wont be hard to tell, Dont stress and just place them in there, U have your homers in there to dnt u?, In your case i wouldnt worry to much.
Last Edited by on Dec 17, 2008 11:53 AM
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kopetsa
2545 posts
Dec 17, 2008
12:07 PM
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Nope just rollers and Indian Fantails now. The breeding rollers are in breeders pens.. :)
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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kcfirl
530 posts
Dec 17, 2008
12:10 PM
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andrew,
I don't know a single serious roller breeder that would ever put a cock of another breed in with his rollers.
You never know when that fantail is going to jump on a roller hen.
Ken
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max loft
2 posts
Dec 17, 2008
12:18 PM
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true i would keep them seperate, just more organized for bred and also mantains a more sanitary loft.
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kopetsa
2546 posts
Dec 17, 2008
12:18 PM
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Ken my breeding rollers are in individuals right now..
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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Rob408
26 posts
Dec 17, 2008
1:52 PM
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Once theyr are mated, then they should stick together but there is always that chance that they cross with the other birds in the loft. If you want to guarantee the parentage, then individual pens is the only way to go.
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sundance
923 posts
Dec 17, 2008
3:09 PM
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Andrew, Yes, they will cross... In the loft its always like 2am in a bar. Anyone willing is fair game. If the hens mate aint looking another cock will jump her if he can and if shes willing ... or dont put up much fight..LOL
Seperate them if at all possible. You will get crosses !!!!
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2162 posts
Dec 17, 2008
7:41 PM
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good choice Andrew or you will have rollers rolling and fanning you at the same time.:)
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Ralph
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Windjammer Loft
608 posts
Dec 20, 2008
8:18 AM
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kopetsa....to be on the safe side. I keep all my birds in individual pens until the 2nd egg is laid. Then I return to the open loft. This way I am sure what birds are paired to what bird... Its just my method.. The times that I didn't practicd this method I always got a cross in their somehow....
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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norlan hollingate
1275 posts
Dec 20, 2008
8:39 AM
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andrew
u must do individual breeding to g/tee wat is being produced or u will be just taking a chance and waisting your time m8 it takes a lot more time but u will get there twice as fast
first round c n h u get 2 young
2nd round different cock trads the hen 2 young
fly young 2nd round fantastic
next season u breed 10 out of the origional p/r all shyte thats wasting time put more time in at first
then u dont have to breed loads thus saving ur breeders and ur time m8
good luck
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sundance
936 posts
Dec 20, 2008
11:37 AM
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Hey Norman...
Is the individual breeding pretty much the norm over there? I`m just guessing that over here in the states its about half n half. Some do it, some dont.
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
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kopetsa
2557 posts
Dec 20, 2008
12:10 PM
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Hey Norm I do all Individual breeding and then sometimes I take the eggs and give them to open loft fosters. But the Indian Fantails are a little big so I just wondered. They are now in Individuals.. :)
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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norlan hollingate
1285 posts
Dec 21, 2008
11:59 AM
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hi butch
no m8 there aint that many who do individual i think its the only way just my opinion
i think people who breed in a open loft n sell birds with a pedigree showing cock n hen parents should not bother with the paperwork
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pigeoncrazy
65 posts
Dec 22, 2008
11:47 AM
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Hi Andrew,
I keep an open loft with a few different breeds. However, to keep any of them from breeding, I replace all of the eggs with dummies after the 2nd egg is laid. They will continue to incubate the dummies a full cycle, giving the hen a chance to recover a bit before laying the next clutch.
I plan to breed my Rollers in the Spring, but I will definitely move the pairs to individual breeding pens to make sure they are not crossing. There's just no other sure way to ensure that the pairs aren't cross-breeding.
Fantails are great, btw - I have a few of those. Have fun with them!
~Karen
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Velo99
1996 posts
Dec 22, 2008
1:02 PM
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After I pair up I keep them in indies til they get into the groove. After they are set I lock each pair down when the cycle rolls around to mating time. If your running fosters the breeders should all be ready to breed again about the same time.
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