max loft
40 posts
Dec 20, 2008
10:37 PM
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Can you name some birds tht are champions and have made there mark on the sport?
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kopetsa
2563 posts
Dec 20, 2008
10:43 PM
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514 and 0016
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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spinningdemon
115 posts
Dec 21, 2008
7:19 AM
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If you guys have photos of these legends I would love to see them.
521 the old spangle
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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fresnobirdman
323 posts
Dec 21, 2008
8:11 AM
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i have a question,
what makes these birds so special?
what makes them a legend?
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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norlan hollingate
1289 posts
Dec 21, 2008
12:19 PM
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the real champ
must do it in the kit
must be noticed individually while in the kit
and most of all must it must produce champions with several different partners
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Ty Coleman
488 posts
Dec 21, 2008
3:09 PM
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FCRC 91 007 & NPA 87 9646[Rambo]. Both are prepotent cocks in the Turner Family. Almost every bird in this family of rollers can be traced back to these two birds.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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kooper
75 posts
Dec 21, 2008
5:23 PM
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Ken Easley 97 & 98 champ such as 404,415
Trance Roller Lofts
Kou V
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Bill C
148 posts
Dec 21, 2008
5:25 PM
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This could be an intersting question. We have the past champions by thier band numbers such as 514,272 the $350 cock and so on. We also have the names like Pensom, Plana, Smith,Slate, Sparks and Mccully ect.
It is interesting to the fact that today we look at the champions as the World Cup winner. Or the Fall Fly winner and the whole kit is the champion kit. We don't collectively have a single bird champ anymore.
Infact I think the last one that was known through out the USA was Richard Jaconettes bird. He had a bird that was a blur and people came from far and away to see this bird. Well his birds were in such big demand that he could hardly keep up with the orders. Then the IRS came after him and he fled and as far as I know has not gotten back into roller? Maybe pigeon lung like Tom Hatcher who made the cross with the name of continentals being a cross with American bird with the a English family.
Anyway back to the champ, Today we don't seem to focus on the one bird that was such an awsome sight as we look at the whole kit.
So we may never have another 514 again. I know a local guy Ken tried to revive the single bird fly in our club of 75 members and nobody responded.
This is not a comp verses back yarder kind of problem, just that no one really gets that single bird famous as it was done in the past.
Many clubs have their champ stamp of aprovel but it is just not the same. Bill C
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Bill C
149 posts
Dec 21, 2008
5:45 PM
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I think one of the reasons we dont have another 514 is the fact that History has changed. Back then you only had a few guys, Pensom, Smith and Plona that had really sought after birds.
Today there are many guys who have some awsome birds even some that have a just a single awsome bird in the lot. So you can get an great family of birds no matter what state you live in the USA. The ball game has changed from a single good hitter to the World Championship in everything. Which is not a bad thing just not good for one bird to get his band number written down in American roller history.
We all have our memories of those awsome birds. Paul Fullerton has a champion lavender many has seen and the fastest bird I've seen so far was at Dwidght Wallaces house, that bird had a hole in it ( even though some say they have no hole if they are fast ) It was such a blur that I could not see any wing tips on that bird. It truely was a blur. I have not been outside of Norhtern California yet. I want to see Don Oulettes brid and others someday. Bill C
Last Edited by on Dec 21, 2008 5:47 PM
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Alohazona
522 posts
Dec 21, 2008
7:41 PM
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Ty,
Could you contact me regarding the NPRA Individual fly,and wasn't there a NPRA website?aloharoller@yahoo.com....Aloha,Todd
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Ty Coleman
491 posts
Dec 22, 2008
4:05 AM
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rollernewbie 007 was a Andy Self, Rambo was a blue check w\f
Todd the National Performing Roller Association still has a site much like the NBRC site, I'll send yoa e-mail
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Ty
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DeepSpinLofts
1109 posts
Dec 22, 2008
6:33 AM
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re: 521 the old spangle
Are you referring to the bird that is pictured on W.H. Pensom's book titled;
====> "The Birmingham Roller Pigeon"
Marcus
Deeeeep Spin Lofts
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3757
1112 posts
Dec 22, 2008
6:53 AM
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HCS-93-9393
I will say that I have always loved to watch the most outstanding bird in a kit. No matter how many turns a kit is doing I am keeping my eyes on the fastest bird in that team as this gives me the most pleasure. It seems funny that I have always gravitated to that bird no matter how much action is going on. In almost all teams there is always one that outshines all of the rest.
Last Edited by on Dec 23, 2008 7:16 AM
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birdman
676 posts
Dec 22, 2008
7:17 AM
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LaRon, same thing here.
The fastest bird is what I notice first. Once I've located the fastest bird then I start to look at the rest of the group.
Russ
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COYOTE33
175 posts
Dec 22, 2008
8:40 AM
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Bill C, that was one of more imformative post i've read on this site. this is great incite on the hobby and i wish more of us would post this kind of balance. I dont know who you are but i would like very much to get to know you. maybe LaRon will inform me. thanks very much for your knowlege.im glad that the language is changing on this post to realize the individual roller. and thank you LaRon because that's how we grow up watching rollers
coyote
Last Edited by on Dec 22, 2008 8:42 AM
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Hector Coya
320 posts
Dec 22, 2008
8:42 AM
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A legendary bird,is a bird talked about by many people not yourself,i like to stock birds that through the year is the one bird everyone points out...The kind of bird people remember and ask about.
Thats my Opinion,,
Hector Coya-SGVS
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3757
1113 posts
Dec 22, 2008
9:28 AM
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"A legendary bird,is a bird talked about by many people not yourself" Hector - The problem with the statement is how many people are you defining to make the bird legendary? For example there may be a bird that is known by some and not by others and this does not take away from the birds legend. One statement I have heard a lot is that "I have never heard of that one" but what does that mean? It just means that you are unfamilar with the bird. How many people know that 1603 was one of the fastest pigeons Bill Pensom ever flew? I guarentee very few people have heard of this pigeon. Just some food for thought.
Last Edited by on Dec 22, 2008 9:31 AM
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Hector Coya
323 posts
Dec 22, 2008
9:49 AM
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Thats my point thats why 1603 may not be a legend as much ass 778.
Its how many People realy talk about the bird.
Legends are made by Truth and rumors,
Hector Coya-SGVS
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3757
1114 posts
Dec 22, 2008
10:16 AM
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Hector – A bird may be known among the group that you know but I guarantee there are people who have no clue what certain bird numbers are outside of that group and that is the reality of the point that I was making. Most people are only aware of what they know about but it does not eliminate the fact that a pigeon is legendary in other circles and that is the point I was making not what bird is more famous than the other.(I do not raise fireballs but in that circle there are birds that are legendary that you and I have never heard of). This does not take away from 1603,119, 9393 ,313 or any other legendary bird. In England there are probably scorns of numbers that we have never heard of.
"Legends are made by Truth and rumors" what does that mean? Are you saying that the famous birds of the past like 119, 1603 and others were only a rumor? Birds that are famous in England are only rumor? A legend is a rumor by those who never experienced seeing or knowing the throwing power of a bird (50 years from now do you think individuals will know about some of the legendary birds you and I know about? Some of Bob Scott's famous birds like 626 etc. I know scorns of young guys who have never heard of 626 but does that negate the fact that this bird was famous at one time or was it just a rumor?
Last Edited by on Dec 22, 2008 10:20 AM
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Hector Coya
324 posts
Dec 22, 2008
10:32 AM
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A legend is a rumor by those who never experienced seeing or knowing the throwing power of a bird.
Thats what i mean to us that didnt see the legends they
are rumors ,that dosnt make them not true,a rumor many times is true..
There many levels of what we can call legends i agree
what is a legend in my sircle may not be back east,or vice versa.
The thing is there where many good birds bred by Pensom Plona and many others,they may never be mentioned therfore fogoten in time,they will never be legends becouse if theres none to remember them by there gone.
I dont think you understood what i was trying to say.
people make legends by keeping the sertain numers alive,like 514,,
Hector Coya_SGVS
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3757
1115 posts
Dec 22, 2008
10:36 AM
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Got it!
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COYOTE33
176 posts
Dec 22, 2008
1:51 PM
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Hey Hector, so what do you shoot for, the legendary bird or the legendary kit? just a question!
coyote
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Hector Coya
335 posts
Dec 22, 2008
1:59 PM
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At these times it seems we all shoot for the jegendary kit,however in every exelent kit there allways a bird that standout,the one everyone goes home talking about,thats the someday to be legendary bird,,
Hector Coya-SGVS
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norlan hollingate
1311 posts
Dec 22, 2008
2:00 PM
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a bird is only famous by the people who see it the rest is roumor
others may see the bird n not think the same and not make there feelings known
we can all watch a kit n see n think different things
about it
a true champ must do it individually n in the kit n in the stock loft
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Ty Coleman
492 posts
Dec 22, 2008
2:53 PM
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Was Rambo an offsring off of 007!!
Jay
No he was not Jay. Rambo was a good bit older than 007.
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Ty
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