fresnobirdman
341 posts
Dec 30, 2008
7:55 PM
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What is the difference between each roller breed? Such as an American Roller vs. a Birmingham Roller, or an Oriental, or a Performing Roller? I know that there are probably more but these are the main breeds I've happened across at shows, along with Parlors.
and isnt birminghams and roller along with preforming rollers that same???
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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THISROLL
336 posts
Dec 30, 2008
7:58 PM
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i think performing rollers mean any pigeons that rolls back ward..a catagory but birmingham roller is more like a breed.
i beleive orientals were bred to outfly bops in the desert, birmingham are just a enjoyment factor and i think american roller are for show..
can anybody take it from here lol
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rollernewbie
318 posts
Dec 30, 2008
8:06 PM
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i think that performing rollers are just Birmingham rollers that have the colors and performs..
as for Oriental they got a different style of flying and rolling..and are bigger then BRs..
For American Rollers..i am with THISROLL..im thinking they are show birds..
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RollerNewbie
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fresnobirdman
342 posts
Dec 30, 2008
8:17 PM
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oOoOoO
lol.
oks
guys
thanks for the info.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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donnie james
108 posts
Dec 30, 2008
8:58 PM
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oreintal rollers has 16 tail feather performing is birmingham rollers and american roller is started here in the states ............donny james
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brudahpete
364 posts
Dec 30, 2008
11:08 PM
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Birms & Fireballs aren't nearly as fast as the other breeds.
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Sunflower
94 posts
Dec 30, 2008
11:13 PM
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Bruda, please expound on this
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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brudahpete
365 posts
Dec 30, 2008
11:42 PM
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Birms & Fireballs are on the small end of the spectrum. Just compare a regular Birm to a Homer, There's quite a difference. A lot of the other breeds will dive at nearly 90 mph! Our rollers are way slower than that. It's the shortness of the wing among other things. Pigeons have been bred for specific traits, Birms & Fireballs are of the 12 tailfeather variety found in two different Turkish breeds that are likely their progenitors. Others were bred for diving. Of course, many were bred for long distance homing ability. I don't think that there's any argument whether a homer is faster than a Birm, they're two very different creatures.
There are diving breeds that roll as well, few if any have been imported here that do reach nearly 100 mph on the dive. I've never seen that even closely approached with my Birms.
I know I set myself up for a lot of banter with what I said, but oh well, it should keep things interesting! Mind you, I'm a hick from the sticks and haven't seen all of the fancy stuff you have!
Last Edited by on Dec 31, 2008 12:11 AM
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Windjammer Loft
629 posts
Dec 31, 2008
7:15 AM
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fresnobirdman....if you continue to do research you will find out for yourself what the difference are.... It's as simple as that. There isn't enough space here to give an explanation for each and every bird. Do some homework.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 31, 2008 7:19 AM
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spinningdemon
136 posts
Dec 31, 2008
7:25 AM
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The american roller is what was developed from birds that were in the states before the big surge of english birds coming over. It is funny since the birds before pensom were also from birmingham. They were originaly birds with awesome flying capibilities that would fly high and long with awesome deep spins. Their was a group of guys that liked the rich colors and the type of the american birds and the flying antics as well. Then thier were the guys that liked the type and colors but let the flyig side slide. The later group got more followers and the show american roller made its debut and became a world class feather puff rather then an air borne champion that they origanilly were. ( I am by no way downing guys that can only breed for show )
Birmingham rollers are just that birds with ancestory to birmingham england. Their are quit a few guys with birds that have pedigrees going back to the early imports. Many will call these the true Birmingham roller. I am not saying that a bird that has a pedigree back to imports is a better performer than one with out. I have seen many pedigreed birds going back to imports that I would not call a roller.
Oriental rollers are the oldest group of performing tumblers ( That we have documentation of ) it is true that they were breed to evade falcons etc. But also for thier antics they are as far as I know the only breed that the same bird can do several varieties of performance. You can witness from the same bird fast dives, deep spins, plate roll, twist roll and single tumbles. Sometimes you will witness several of these tricks in one performance.
Performing roller, Birminghams,and roller are generally thought of as the same thing. In a show all of them are grouped together.
To me though a roller is not a roller unless it has been flown and has the performance. Thier are so many varieties of pigeon breeds that origanilly breed for their performance abilities that have been shown for so many years that the performance ability is lost. I want to try and keep performers in the air and preserve the performance quailities. Many breeds of performers are shown as rollers tumblers etc but could not fly from coop top to roof top. I know many people can not fly thier pigeons and must find pleasure in the show room. I would rather have for a neighbor some one that showed thier birds then a person that did not have birds. The pigeon raising hobby is small we need all the pigeon breeders we can get. I just want to incourage all to keep them flying.
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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brudahpete
366 posts
Dec 31, 2008
7:31 AM
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Here, here David! If you got 'em, fly 'em! Happy New Year!
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fresnobirdman
343 posts
Dec 31, 2008
8:59 AM
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humm......
this is intresting,,,
well, thanks guys for helpin.
~~Fresnobirdman~~
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