bigwilly
783 posts
Jan 03, 2009
11:42 PM
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This is how I pair my birds up. Tell me what you think. I never mate rec red to rec red. I like to take my rec reds and put them with blue checks or red checks. I take my blacks and put them with blue checks red checks. I never mate blue check to blue check or red check to check. Also, never red check to blue check or black to black. Well maybe black to black one time but then I will take the babies to a blue or red check.
Would love to hear some feedback
BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
Last Edited by on Jan 04, 2009 12:01 AM
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roller alley
59 posts
Jan 04, 2009
12:44 AM
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big will sounds like your looking at color instead of roll,just my opinion on this post....im sure you have deapth and quality in there just left it out
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quickspin
965 posts
Jan 04, 2009
1:01 AM
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First Breed best to Best regardless of everything else. 2nd trier and error is sometimes good. I also color balance my birds but always go best to best regardless. What works for you might not work for some one else. That is why I always try it.
Some Reds might actually be Blue so need to know the background.
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SALAS LOFT
I.C.R.C
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bigwilly
790 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:11 AM
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Exactly. Breed best to best. Color balanced . I dont breed for color. I breed for Q S D C
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
Last Edited by on Jan 04, 2009 7:12 AM
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quality
89 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:16 AM
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Bigwilly, sounds more like hard & soft colors to me?----------
Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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bigwilly
791 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:18 AM
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I try to keep soft with hard. Keep them color balanced. And I dont breed for color. I give a rats about color
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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3757
1117 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:26 AM
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Big Willy - I do not post much anymore but I wanted to post on this one because it is important to explain what a person means because there are those who twist and misinterpret what you or someone else writes and the interpretation is almost always wrong! why do you color balance your matings? Is it to keep the variety within your birds or do you subscribe to the belief that color has to do with roll or stiffness etc? I am one that believes that the pigmentation of the feather has nothing at all to do with the gene to roll. I appreciate your response.
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bigwilly
792 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:36 AM
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Hey 3757 I strongly believe that color has alot to do with roll and stiffness at least in the family of birds that I work with
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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spinningdemon
150 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:39 AM
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Color of feathers has no bearing on performance. I lost all of the fancy colors that I had in my orientals because I just breed best performance to best performance now I just have red bar orientals. I am just saying breed the best performance to best performance the only time you need to worry about colors is when you have lethal genes that you are working with such as almond and opal.
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David Curneal
www.freewebs.com/dcurneal
www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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bigwilly
793 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:41 AM
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For example breeding check to check or soft to soft constantly will make my birds stiff and unstable. You probably can get away with doing it one time but not constantly. What u think? 3757
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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3757
1118 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:42 AM
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Thanks for your response Willy and I am glad that you stated it has to do with a particular family. I have a friend who years ago tried to breed self whites and that particular line was stiff and late. The last 25 years all he has are only red checks and Blue checks and they are early and frequent. His feather quality is excellent and the birds look awesome. I believe that using the wrong birds in a persons program leads to the issues of feather problems etc but these things are secondary. Performance is and always has to be first. You probably read a post I did about a year ago regarding show pen spinners. Well, this guys has the most beautiful rollers in the world and that is the honest truth. He gave a guy some three years ago and they are still flipping ones and twos. The guy is flying them as a hawk kit. Also, I wish you a prosperous 2009!
Last Edited by on Jan 04, 2009 7:49 AM
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bigwilly
794 posts
Jan 04, 2009
7:48 AM
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Thanks 3757 for your response. When I originally posted this thread I assumed that the guys knew where I was going with this and the first response I got was that I was a color breeder lol. As I said b 4 I can give a rats about color.
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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Sunflower
150 posts
Jan 04, 2009
8:15 AM
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Bigwilly, I think the advice to breed best to best without regard to color is sound. I breed mine to achieve the goals of my linebreeding program without regard to color. I like half brother/half sister pairings and some father/daughter as well as close cousins if they have the performance. Right now I have 12 pair breeding. 4 pr red to blue, 3 pr blue to blue, 3 pr black to black, 1 pr red to red, and we won't talk about the other 2 pr.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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bigwilly
798 posts
Jan 04, 2009
8:23 AM
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Sunflower. I already know to breed best to best and would not do it no other way. I am trying to win brother. The whole point of this thread was just to show how I breed and color balance my birds. And I wanted to know what the fellas and ladies thought. I believe that color balancing is very important
Big Willy
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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Sunflower
151 posts
Jan 04, 2009
8:25 AM
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Bigwilly, not sure I understand "color balancing". Can you enlighten me?
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
1395 posts
Jan 04, 2009
8:29 AM
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My experiance is that absolutly charactor will piggy back pigment (hard -soft color) to some degree ,which means the not so strong charcator helps to open up the roll.
90 % of my birds are blue based and even I pay attention to it, Smokey being my soft side and dirty the hard side.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Jan 04, 2009 10:28 AM
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Sunflower
152 posts
Jan 04, 2009
8:33 AM
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Scott,
I agree, my family is predominately blue based also. I guess I just never heard the term "color balancing". Learned something again today, thats 2 days in a row. A good weekend for me.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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bigwilly
800 posts
Jan 04, 2009
8:40 AM
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Hey Sunflower. I just looked up some old post on this subject and they have some good discussions on this bro. Check it out. Go to search and put in color balancing
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BIG WILLY
TOPP FLIGHT/NCRC
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Sunflower
154 posts
Jan 04, 2009
10:48 AM
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Thanks bigwilly, some interesting info on those old posts. Just wasn't familiar with the term "color balancing" until today. Thanks again
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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winwardrollers
80 posts
Jan 05, 2009
7:39 AM
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David
"I lost all of the fancy colors that I had in my orientals because I just breed best performance to best performance now I just have red bar orientals"
In your post above it sounds like you just talked your self into.. a portion of "color balancing". After breeding best to best you come up with red bar as the best performance birds.
I would take both side to this discussion. Color is just a color and the genes under the color determine performance... but some times thoses gene stack up under color in the rollers..in differant way.. in differant lofts.. not always a given.
I have a few whites that come out in my family of birds. The whites that have red seem to be strong, stable and the whites that have blue in them seem to be hot, unstable.
Color in our loft helps us guess what genes may be under the differant pigmaents of the feathers.
Brad winward
Last Edited by on Jan 05, 2009 8:05 AM
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rollingline33
162 posts
Jan 05, 2009
8:33 AM
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i think color balance is important BIG TIME!! in my family of birds or they go stiff on me!! i do red checks too blue check... and reds too blacks!! soft too hard.. and i have also heard of feather degenaration wen both birds are soft? so i guess that would be one good reason of color balance!! as far as performance i have mate blue checks too blue checks best too best and i have mated red checks too red checks and i have never liked the results!! too stiff and another few characteristics i didnt like... IS THER ANY BIG TIME BIRDS OF TODAYS BEST OR BACK THEN (AND BY THE BEST I MEAN SOME OF THE BEST PRODUCERS OF BIG TIME NAMES NORM REED AND HIGGINS TOO NAME A FEW...tha both parents wer blue check or two red check parents??? and that they wer breed in indibidual cage not open loft???
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