-mannyfresh- spins
98 posts
Jan 20, 2009
11:07 PM
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wats the difference between the 2??or are these the same color but ppl jus refer 2 them as either silver or lavender???
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Sunflower
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217 posts
Jan 20, 2009
11:17 PM
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Lavender is ash red spread, silver is the dilute of blue.
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cv rollers
237 posts
Jan 21, 2009
12:13 AM
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manny when u see the two side by side u could really see the difference JMO ..Joe is correct
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-mannyfresh- spins
99 posts
Jan 21, 2009
10:51 AM
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well can sum1 post a pic?im still new @ this..so all these color names are kinda confusing...lol
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Sunflower
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218 posts
Jan 21, 2009
3:31 PM
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Okay manny, i'll try to send you some pictures. the first bird is a lavender badge
The lavender color is technically ash red with the spread factor
This is a silver bar marked
The silver bar is a dilute of a blue bar
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Last Edited by on Jan 21, 2009 3:32 PM
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Sunflower
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219 posts
Jan 21, 2009
3:39 PM
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Manny,
Heres a better picture of the silver bar
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-mannyfresh- spins
103 posts
Jan 21, 2009
4:34 PM
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thnx for the pix..but da silver bar looks like a blue bar..but I think I see wat u mean by the silver...looks like a blue bar but jus not as dark right.
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Sunflower
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220 posts
Jan 21, 2009
4:58 PM
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Manny, That is correct. When you see it in hand it is very obvious.
Andrew, that second bird is not a silver, it is another lavender, ash red spread
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Sunflower
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221 posts
Jan 21, 2009
5:00 PM
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Sorry, not Andrew but Kou
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donnie james
194 posts
Jan 21, 2009
7:48 PM
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lavender and silver is the same bird but some people calls lavender and some people calls it silver donny james
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-mannyfresh- spins
104 posts
Jan 22, 2009
10:08 AM
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well thnx 2 every1 4 there input..well good 2 kno I learned sumthin..lol...well hopefully I can see them buth live n den I will be able to really tell..
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speedball
101 posts
Jan 22, 2009
10:23 AM
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the second bird is a blue badge. a silver is like the silver you can get in tippler. in the boro uk they call the top bird a silver.
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c robbo
408 posts
Jan 22, 2009
12:11 PM
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the 1st one is a mealy badge cock. the 2nd one is a blue badge. do you lot breed for coulor or quality.
Last Edited by on Jan 22, 2009 12:11 PM
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Sunflower
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222 posts
Jan 22, 2009
3:43 PM
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Far be for me to rain on anybody's parade, but there are 3 colors of pigeons, ash red, blue and brown in that order of dominance. The first bird I posted is an ash red spread, commonly referred to as lavender. The second bird is a silver bar, a dilute of blue. Some of you need to read some Levi, Quinn or Hollander writings and get your colors straight. Mealy is an old misnomer often used by the homer guys. And robbo, I breed for performance and the color comes with it. I get reds, blues in bars and checks. There are dilute, spread and indigo factors in my family but who cares when they are in the air.
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Last Edited by on Jan 23, 2009 6:52 AM
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-mannyfresh- spins
105 posts
Jan 24, 2009
9:05 AM
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I agree wit sunflower..I am tryin 2 breed for good rolls..colors ® jus a bonus..cuz imagine a whole kit of blue bars..how would u be able 2 distinguish each bird???plus its nice 2 see different lookin birds..
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Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2009 9:07 AM
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pigeon pete
79 posts
Jan 24, 2009
9:43 AM
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What is very confusing for guys new to the hobby is that the roller fraternity, at least in England anyway do not use the correct terminology. What a racing man may call a mealy or dark ,mealy or a strawberry we may have several names for including dun, but a dun is a dilute Black not a red pigeon at all, see what you are up against?
Even us old gits get confused. The Picture above of the Lavender is also a little misleading as it looks like a red bar (mealy). You can tell it is a spread ash bird by the light silvery color of the head plumage.
When a bird has a full dose of spread and it is a (now I will use several terms so we know what we mean) and it is a red bar, mealy dun, or red cheq, it will be the same silver color as the top bird but it will have no bars. So look at the top bird and imagine it with no bars and it will be a better idea of what a lavender is like. If it is a cock and is carrying blue it will have some black flecks, or be tick marked. So to see what we are up against, that bird that is correctly called a Spread Ash Red, may also be called a Lavender, a silver (wrong and misleading but between freinds we know what we mean) or even a barless mealy, also incorrect as Barless is a different gene than spread. So to recap, spread is the factor that spreads the colur of the bars and tail over the entire feather areas.
It reduces the clumping of pigment from the bar area, and to varying degrees, it spreads the darker pigment evenly over the body. It is the facor that turns a blue series bird into a black. A barred bird under the influence of the spread gene will tend to be lighter in color than a cheqer. As others have said a silver is actually a dilute blue, a dun is a dilute black and a yellow is a dilute red.
That's enough colur for now I'm getting a hedache,lol
regards,
Pete.
Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2009 9:48 AM
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spinningdemon
225 posts
Jan 24, 2009
9:54 AM
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Joe is correct.
Pete I love your post it is so true.
Performance first, feel/type second, everything else third. What is everything else? Color, Pattern, Modifiers, Feathered feet, no feathered feet, eye color etc. etc.etc.
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Sunflower
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236 posts
Jan 24, 2009
10:03 AM
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Pete, you got it all correct. That "lavender" hen I posted is not the best example of a lavender as she shows too much barring, but she was the best example of a lavender that I had a picture of and she is one of my favorite birds. I am not really a big fan of lavender but the spread factor is in my birds so I get a few of them each year. That particular bird is the best spinner I raised in 03.
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pat66
277 posts
Jan 24, 2009
12:24 PM
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-mannyfresh- spins
108 posts
Jan 24, 2009
12:56 PM
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pat nice muff..hoppin 2 get sum..
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pat66
279 posts
Jan 24, 2009
1:27 PM
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Manny-Email me hd66sh@yahoo.com,pure L.J.Smith
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Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2009 1:28 PM
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pigeon pete
81 posts
Jan 24, 2009
2:09 PM
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Manny,
you wrote,
pat nice muff..hoppin 2 get sum..
please keep it clean there are other sites for that sort of thing (so they tell me) lol
Pete.
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