speedball
113 posts
Jan 24, 2009
12:33 PM
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do you breed for competition or do you breed for your own pleasure pat?
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c robbo
417 posts
Jan 24, 2009
1:03 PM
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fireball when a birmingham roller hits top form it will stay world class for 6 weeks and after that they start to losen up after 7 to 8 weeks and go like a carrier bag.just my apinion.ps it wood be great if thay all came on together.
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pat66
278 posts
Jan 24, 2009
1:25 PM
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I fly comp within our club-placed 2nd last year,my pleasure birds are my fireballs and I did fly 2 fireballs in the comp,everyone says fireballs do not kit,but mine kit like glue,I would not fly a kit of them for comp because when I fly just fireballs they like to fly for 1-2 hours,but alot of action,I might take you up on seeing your birds, I go to europe every couple of years! but in all honesty I do manage my birds to try and get the depth-velosity and frequency,the way pensom used to fly,and the way you guys used to fly until the 20 bird comp started taking priority!
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Pat
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speedball
114 posts
Jan 24, 2009
4:26 PM
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your most welcome to my house pal. i have 2 different sorts of rollers. i have birds that i got george reed from middlesborough. they are some of the fastest spinning rollers in the world. i dont care what anyone says. taking into consideration, most folks cannot tell the difference in the qualities and style of roll. unfortunatly george dont bother with competitions so the birds are bred for depth velocity and quality. even if the bird gets into the roll on an accidental angle the roll is quick and presentable. these birds need working on to become high grade competition rollers. i am afraid if i go that way with them i will certainly lose quality which if i breed for frequency i will inevitably loose. my other and own strain of 15years consists of birds to which i cannot trace the lineage. these birds are ultimate kitters. the depth is around 20ft mark and out of 100points for quality you would score me upto 50points. the birds break in big numbers. the syncro in these birds is remarkable. years of foolishness have made me neglect these birds but i have realised that they are full qualifiers looking at some of the shyte i see whilst going around the country. like your fireballs these things fly too long. like i always say if you dont like the birds the curry will be no1.
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Fire_Baller_916
409 posts
Jan 24, 2009
7:51 PM
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"they are some of the fastest spinning rollers in the world."
That's a new one...I would love to see some of the fastest spinning rollers in the world...How could you even tell how fast they are spinning??? The only way you could tell if there the fastest spinners in the world if you compare it to everyone elses but most likely you'll never be able to compare there velocity vs everyone elses...Maybe judging velocity might be the new competition in the future...I guess like they need to start making speed scanners...LOL...
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Chai_Seng
http://fireballroller.ning.com/
Last Edited by on Jan 24, 2009 7:53 PM
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speedball
115 posts
Jan 25, 2009
4:43 AM
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! cant you see how fast your birds are rolling chai? that means you must be able to count every revolution in your birds. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! hey topnotch get a load of this!
i know you dont have a clue as to what i am talking about chai. me and others can tell by your post. i know for a fact you dont know the difference. you have not yet seen what a real fireball roll is. you need to see bro! i told you there is a big difference between baggy rollers and proper correct fast quality rollers. ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! i can also tell you wont admit your pigeons are loose rollers but you are stuck in your stubborness. am i right? i was the same 20years ago. i know i am more advanced then you pal. there truth is in your words lad.
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Scott
1552 posts
Jan 25, 2009
7:35 AM
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(unfortunatly george dont bother with competitions so the birds are bred for depth velocity and quality. even if the bird gets into the roll on an accidental angle the roll is quick and presentable. these birds need working on to become high grade competition rollers.)
Thats one hell of a claim seeing that a bird can only go so fast before the wheels fall off, and why would wouldn't these birds be good in competition ?
They sound exactly like what should be flown in competition.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Leo
Member
84 posts
Jan 25, 2009
8:19 AM
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BALL, I thought, I made a statement that:quote: "DID YOU THINK THE BREEDERS OF FIREBALLS WERE STANDING STILL ALL THESE YRS"???the change started in the 80s,!!A great bit of cultivating began, I asked you guys to join us to be better informed in what you say,all you are doing is making untrue statements,,,confusing newbys,,,and leaving 'openings for an argument! and worst of all, showing ALL these guys your lack of knowledge!..so Please refrain from any more of those uneducated statements,,like I said, ITS FREE! to get a great bit of knowledge,but you seem to want to continue on with these statements of the old days which...:you dont want to talk about???:yet are using in your post ?????...LEO
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2373 posts
Jan 25, 2009
8:37 AM
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I agree with Scott these are the birds that should be use for competition fastest birds in the world with Quality and depth only 20 ft .perfect for competition I would say that would definitely put me at the top.... how can I get my hands on some of those forget that statement I just remember this is Tony site..
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Ralph
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c robbo
418 posts
Jan 25, 2009
9:03 AM
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iv had birminghams highflighers west of england shortface tumbelers ect and i must say nout cud touch the speed of a TRUE BR.fact most of the rollers iv seen on this site are WEST X HIGHFLIGHERS PUT BACK TO A MADINA.
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Scott
1556 posts
Jan 25, 2009
9:13 AM
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(and i must say nout cud touch the speed of a TRUE BR.fact)
Yes,that is a fact,whats your point ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
1557 posts
Jan 25, 2009
9:29 AM
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(most of the rollers iv seen on this site are WEST X HIGHFLIGHERS PUT BACK TO A MADINA.)
Can't argue with you on this one here thats for sure,there are no doubt some funky mutts posted here and honestly it is embarrassing,but nor do they represent the breed here in the U.S.
The bulk of the posters here aren't serious flyers,and many are kids or others that don't have thier priority straight.
If you noticed I have never been shy about calling it as I see it,but don't fool yourself into thinking that there aren't many serious lofts here in the US where the breed is very much intact.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Fire_Baller_916
410 posts
Jan 25, 2009
9:56 AM
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"ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! cant you see how fast your birds are rolling chai? that means you must be able to count every revolution in your birds. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! hey topnotch get a load of this!"
I know when rollers are rolling with velocity...You make it sound like your Roller are the sh*%t...You havent even seen my FBs in action so dont be talken trash now...Just wait when I put a kit up and shut your mouth...
"they are some of the fastest spinning rollers in the world."
That must mean that your rollers are one of the fastest spinning rollers in the world if that's what your trying to say v.s. everyone elses...
Talkin about old and saggy your one yourself...LOL...
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Chai_Seng
http://fireballroller.ning.com/
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Scott
1559 posts
Jan 25, 2009
10:27 AM
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Actualy Chai, FireBalls sure aren't know for thier quality,the depth comes at a huge huge price that most won't sacrafice for.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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pat66
280 posts
Jan 25, 2009
11:11 AM
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Chai,I have to agree with Scott on this one,you know I like my fireballs BUT they in no way could be as fast as my pensoms from Doc,they are 2 different lines breed for two different reasons,and if we are to excell in our quest for the best we have to acknowledge the difference between the two.
A THOUGHT OR TWO!
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Pat
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TT
GOLD MEMBER
338 posts
Jan 25, 2009
11:19 AM
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Raising these are just like raising a kit of yellows,
Fireballs and colour chasing are on the same page to me,
JMHO
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Tony...
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pat66
281 posts
Jan 25, 2009
11:29 AM
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NICE POST TT- Very informative and helpful to this post!!!
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Pat
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Fire_Baller_916
411 posts
Jan 25, 2009
11:30 AM
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"FireBalls sure aren't know for thier quality"
Scott, have you seen Fireballs perform before???
Most guys havent even seen the real FBs perform and talk smack...I just dont get it...
Well, not all BRs have the quality and velocity...You get some good and bad...Well Pat, I could say that they arent as fast but I have breed some fast one in the past...My goal is to breed some of the fastest FBs spinners this year and show you guys what's up...
Here's some example of some really good FB spinners I bred with quality and velocity...
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Chai_Seng
http://fireballroller.ning.com/
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speedball
117 posts
Jan 25, 2009
11:40 AM
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ha ha ha ha ha! keep your wig on kid. you cant win competitions without breaks. begginers should not argue they should sit back, look and learn. i want to come to america and watch these so called firballs. they seem to represent your country. they must be what dreams are made of????????
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pat66
282 posts
Jan 25, 2009
11:41 AM
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Chai,Nice birds and that is what the club is about,keeping them pure and excelling in their performance!Keep it up we need devoted guys like you,but is there not room for improvement in all of our birds,even top flyers try to still breed the perfect roller.
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Pat
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Leo
Member
85 posts
Jan 25, 2009
12:17 PM
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Speedo,...YOU OF ALL PEOPLE ! 'say to sit back' and 'look and listen,'???thats exactly what we been saying to you ALL ALONG,!!!TO make matters worse you live "next door" to where the original WHITTINGHAM people lived,,, their history must be ALL AROUND YOU Through other roller people,Man! now, I too believe there is somthing in your water! When you get here call me, youre going to the Doctors Office,I think u blew a Head gasket!!!...LEO
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Scott
1560 posts
Jan 25, 2009
12:46 PM
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"FireBalls sure aren't know for thier quality"
Scott, have you seen Fireballs perform before???
( Yes I have )
Most guys havent even seen the real FBs perform and talk smack...I just dont get it...
(there is a reason they have all but died out in this country)
Well, not all BRs have the quality and velocity...You get some good and bad...
(you got that one right,they roll like Fire Balls LOL)
Well Pat, I could say that they arent as fast but I have breed some fast one in the past...My goal is to breed some of the fastest FBs spinners this year and show you guys what's up...
(first they have to have the goods,of which they don't, they are breed for something else, that being depth)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
1561 posts
Jan 25, 2009
12:49 PM
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Not hardly, only a handful of backyard breeders have them.
( i want to come to america and watch these so called firballs. they seem to represent your country. they must be what dreams are made of???????? )
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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xueher
77 posts
Jan 25, 2009
12:50 PM
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I think Pat is right. Everyone no matter who you are your trying to improve your roller some how: velocity, style, quality, frequency etc.
Speedball just come to america i think plenty of people would show you some birds. I think myself and other would like to see some of the fastest roller in the world too. What makes you think or feel age have anything to do with this hobby. Knowing what your age is i dont really care. 20 year ago you say u were stubborn and i think you still are. Most of all why should a beginner sit back and listen to you who are you? what have you influence in the roller world? Just my opinion...Lad...
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speedball
118 posts
Jan 25, 2009
12:50 PM
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erm, you are a goodun leo. i wont trouble you boys no more. i do apologize if i have hurt certain feelings. my birds aint that good and i aint no master. i am just as mind boggled by these birds as the next man.
"keep em rippin" speedball!
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TT
GOLD MEMBER
339 posts
Jan 25, 2009
12:55 PM
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"NICE POST TT- Very informative and helpful to this post!!!"
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Pat
Truth sometimes hurts.
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Tony...
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kcfirl
548 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:12 PM
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To all Sacramento Fireball flyers,
I want to see some to see the speed, depth, and frequency that is being talked about. Please send an email to me at kcfirl@yahoo.com and let me know when I can come see them.
Sincerely,
Ken Firl
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pat66
284 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:12 PM
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TT,
You must be a professor,all the intelligent posts you make! Thank you!
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Pat
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speedball
119 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:14 PM
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hey pat im 25mins from george masons house. have you heard of him pal?
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pat66
285 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:17 PM
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Yea, he is supposed to have good birds,read some excellent articles about him also!would love to pick his brain a bit!
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Pat
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
160 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:19 PM
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Newbie 8...I doubt that you got your original question answered. I invite you to the Fireball site and ask the same question. The Fireball club has a statement in the foundation that it will never be an argumentative site for comparison of any other family of rollers. NEVER. I suggest your answers will come from folks that actually raise and fly the Fireball roller.
Chai..you are in a "no win" word battle..these guys, and there are only a few..but a loud, ignorant (don't understand)few that live by the creed.."If your family is not my family, if your colors are not my colors, if you don't enjoy the hobby the same way I enjoy my hobby...then you are not nor are your birds worth anything. Our world is made up of a lot of different folks..does not make them any better or worse..keep that in mind and enjoy your birds. By the way..I just flew a kit of 30 Fireball/Whittinghams and they put on a 45 minute show like you would not believe. Some deep, some shallow, some fast, some not as fast..but all of them doing something besides cutting the wind. Fly and enjoy your birds Chai..some of these guys drive Chevys while others drive Fords..Bruce
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De Oppresso Liber
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Scott
1562 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:20 PM
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I'll join you Ken , we'll make a day of it,I think some of these guys are around Sac. aren't they.
(To all Sacramento Fireball flyers,
I want to see some to see the speed, depth, and frequency that is being talked about. Please send an email to me at kcfirl@yahoo.com and let me know when I can come see them.
Sincerely,
Ken Firl )
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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speedball
120 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:23 PM
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being as he aint too far we enjoy many summers sitting by the river watching kit after kit. george is a master of illusion. he has got the right breaks at the right angles. we all sit quietly watching his birds like little school kids and have lots to talk about all the way home. his birds are low flying so you miss nothing. when you visit england i take you to georges and most of the gooduns pat.
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Fire_Baller_916
412 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:24 PM
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I'll show you guys what FBs are made of...If it wasnt for the thieves that broke into my loft and took everything you guys all would of been quiet by now...
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Chai_Seng
http://fireballroller.ning.com/
Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2009 2:07 PM
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pat66
286 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:29 PM
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Sounds like a nice vacation,my neice just married and they moved from the Russian border to England,so this is a possible trip!I will find out which part of England they moved too!what town are you in?
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Pat
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speedball
122 posts
Jan 25, 2009
1:38 PM
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i live in handsworth, birmingham. i am surrounded by the blackcountry, blackheath, stourbridge, lye, west bromwich, walsall, wolverhampton, cradley heath and many other areas. i have lived here all my life. i keep rollers and i keep a few dogs. i have had rollers from the age of 13. i will finish rollers when i finish myself.
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Longroller
GOLD MEMBER
161 posts
Jan 25, 2009
3:04 PM
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Scott and Ken..here you go..fantastic chance to get a young fancier in the competition game. I would go visit him and take a pair or two each to give him and get him started in "true rollers"..or competition birds as you say. Give him some good mentoring tips on feeding and training..and you may be on to something. I would go even if he did not have anything to fly. If I had an old kit box I would throw that into the back of the truck..have a great time. Be kind on calling his birds 'crude'..just try to win him over to your side. Invite him to your loft and see you "true rollers". Good stuff and opportunities. Bruce
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De Oppresso Liber
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TT
GOLD MEMBER
340 posts
Jan 25, 2009
4:01 PM
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TT,
You must be a professor,all the intelligent posts you make! Thank you!
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Pat
No Pat not at all, cant compare to your knowledge of the sport/hobby.
Good luck with the Adventure.
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Tony...
Last Edited by on Jan 25, 2009 4:29 PM
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TheGame
455 posts
Jan 25, 2009
4:07 PM
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Oh yea Mr. Gold Member TT??
Have you ever seen any FBs fly?? Do I have to get Roller-Boi in here or what??
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TT
GOLD MEMBER
341 posts
Jan 25, 2009
4:30 PM
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LOl.
Nah, No need for that TheGame.
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Tony...
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Scott
1563 posts
Jan 25, 2009
4:59 PM
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Bruce,you are a 100 0/0 correct and I was just thinking of this a bit ago.
Chai, we have a show the 28th of Feb.are you going to be there ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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roller_boi
20 posts
Jan 25, 2009
5:36 PM
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"ha ha ha ha ha! keep your wig on kid. you cant win competitions without breaks. begginers should not argue they should sit back, look and learn. i want to come to america and watch these so called firballs. they seem to represent your country. they must be what dreams are made of????????"
sounds like you never experienced a FB before so
why dont you sit back instead and learn einstein. with that attitude not even a pigeon would want to see you.
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fireballroller_boi
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