spinningdemon
252 posts
Jan 29, 2009
5:46 AM
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On another thread I stated that I did not want to fly birds in comp that I did not raise that way of thinking goes back to when I would show birds and it was tabo to enter birds you did not raise into a show. Well on the other thread 2 guys said that they would fly them and one guy said that it would be a big complement to the guy if you flew the birds he gave you in a comp. I was just wondering what more of you guys thought. I have not flown comp yet and was hoping to breed some for the up coming flies with the best kit birds that were gifted to me by some great Utah fliers?
Part 2 of my question is would it be better to stock the birds and just wait to fly? So as to not loose the better kit birds? I know you should not fly what you can not afford to loose but I am wanting to fly, but also wanting to breed, see my delema.
Being new to comp birds I do not have a tight grasp on wich way to go. And was hoping for some great and insperational comments.
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David Curneal
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In the air since 1973
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0221
23 posts
Jan 29, 2009
6:06 AM
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David, there's nothing wrong flying birds you have not bred Yourself. You'll find competing is a lot of work in itself.2. how much time do You have before You compete. I know what Your saying though, If there in the breeding coop You probably won't fly them, but if there just sitting in the kitt box it's awful tempting to let them out. Here's where that part about patience come in. good luck.
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maxspin
345 posts
Jan 29, 2009
7:21 AM
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David,
If you are going to be flying the birds anyway you may as well compete with them. I always figure that having all of the local experts as well as the judge come into a new guy's back yard is money well spent. Ask lots of questions, have them handle the birds. Listen to what they say. Their pick for your best bird may not be the same as yours.
Also keep in mind that in most regions more fliers is better. They are always looking for another qualifier!!! If you show that you are serious about flying you are more likely to have access to better birds. The good fliers are less likely to gift/sell a quality bird unless they are convinced that you will stick with flying.
Have fun with them
Keith Maxwell
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
336 posts
Jan 29, 2009
8:22 AM
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David
This will be my first year flying. I will have 5 birds breed by Brian Middaugh, 4 or 5 from Bob Adams, and a 4 that Bert Singleton hatched, but I have had since they were 4 weeks old. I have the parents to these birds. The rest will be what were hatched on in my Loft.
This could change, I have a few late hatches (mid Sept), but unlikely. I plan to fly them. I was given some of them to help make sure I had a kit come this spring. I need to fly them anyway to decide who is worthy of the stock loft.
If by the greatest of luck, I win a local fly, or qualify for the World Cup finals, I will be extremly grateful to these guys for helping me. I think they will be excited for my success also, and it will bring a smile to thier face, because it reflects the success they are having, in their loft.
My opinion, they gave them to us to fly them. Lets see what they can do.
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RT Williams
Last Edited by on Jan 29, 2009 9:21 AM
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spinningdemon
254 posts
Jan 29, 2009
8:57 AM
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Thanks for the replies folks thats the type of info I appreciate.
RT I have some of the birds from Brian as well I did not fly the ones with his bands on. The ones that Bert raised I have flown of the 10 I have left, 1 black check one red broch on dun and one red w/f all of the lavendars (3) found the concrete. one red was hawk food
and 2 red checks I gave to my neighbor that I am getting started. He flew in 2 birds that I lost and fell in love with them so I gave him some others. I like the 2 birds that Brian raised they have been hanging out fostering some orientals for me. I will let them raise some after this round. All of the others that bert gave me are from this pair so of the ten 3 hit and the red brouch is a fast spinner. the black check is coming on real nice to.
I guess I will be flying sooner then I thought I was hung up on the only fly birds you raise deal. I think I can get a kit together and see what happens.
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David Curneal
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www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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Ballrollers
1680 posts
Jan 29, 2009
9:15 AM
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David,
It Depends. But my recommedation, if you want to move forward with these gifted birds....would be to fly them out and pick the best as breeders to take your program another step forward. If you are too anxious to compete, and in preparing the kit for competitions, you loose your best birds to hawks, overflies, whatever, you're done. Flying birds out for breeding purposes puts a little less pressure on you, and you can afford to be more selective on your fly days than you can if the judge is coming to score your kit. Once you have a few pairs of proven breeders, then you can fly better birds in competition. Something I always try to remember is, "Only fly birds that you can afford to loose." We just never know. Huge numbers of good birds are sacrificed by flyers who have intended to fly them "one more time" before stocking them, only to see them dissappear in the talons of BOP. With each step up the ladder, you should be able to fly better birds that you CAN afford to loose. The better breeders can afford to fly near "stock quality " birds. Most flyers can't really do much of that.The birds given to you are for you to do with as you please. I would ask the guy who bred them for suggestions and answers to your questions. Hope this helps.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Jan 29, 2009 9:16 AM
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
339 posts
Jan 29, 2009
9:26 AM
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David you only have 2 with Brian Bands? Those birds should be real good if we can get the heat out of them.lol I have three from that family, and 8 from the Billings family from Brian.
Unfortunatly my young birds from the Hoyle stuff, all died, at 6 weeks. So I have no young birds. I am treating all my breeders this year for everything before I put them on nests. Hopefully I will have a few. That and if the weather will coperate so I can get the pair from Cliff. If you need some let me know, I will help out as soon as I can breed a few.
I have an extra hen, if one of those young birds would match up with her.
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RT Williams
Last Edited by on Jan 29, 2009 9:35 AM
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Alohazona
553 posts
Jan 29, 2009
9:27 AM
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A friend of mine Rob Perry flew 5 birds I raised in the fall fly and scored 360 something.I did not have the time in early 08' to do them justice.There are two other guys flying birds I had bred for this upcomming season.I wish them all the best, it was hard to part with some of them.....Aloha,Todd
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BA Rollers
171 posts
Jan 29, 2009
11:56 AM
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Who gives a shite? Fly whatcha got. Don't listen to the cheap seat rhetoric. It doesn't matter if you bred them or not. Competition is a challenge of the handler more than it is the birds. And I challenge anyone to pick out a bird in a kit and tell me if the flyer bred it or not.
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spinningdemon
259 posts
Jan 29, 2009
4:50 PM
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Thanks guys.
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David Curneal
www.freewebs.com/dcurneal
www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2415 posts
Jan 29, 2009
6:25 PM
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Go get em David have some fun ..
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Ralph
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