Lipper
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Jan 29, 2009
8:14 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Heres a couple pics. of my Chandler Grover birds.
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jnyce
541 posts
Jan 29, 2009
8:37 AM
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nice Looking birds i love the body type of the ones in the first pic .... good luck with them
jerry t
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AK-Roller Loft
82 posts
Jan 29, 2009
9:17 AM
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Nice Birds !
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Ak
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spinningdemon
256 posts
Jan 29, 2009
10:30 AM
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Very nice birds! Does Chan still raise a few?
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David Curneal
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www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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fresnobirdman
474 posts
Jan 29, 2009
10:37 AM
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great looking birds!!!
love those blacks and blues!
-fou
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iowarollers
36 posts
Jan 29, 2009
11:02 AM
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hey mike nice looking birds how did ya birds do in the last cold snap my did well kevin
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Scott
1595 posts
Jan 29, 2009
12:58 PM
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Mike, Chan seemed to have birds from quite a few places, those Blue Bars sure resemble the Nieble stuff in type and expression that me and Dwight Wallace was playing with,or at least the one in the very back does.
Last time I was there he had quite a few recent (80s) English stuff he was flying,looks like you have some of that also,those dark checkers look like the Kiser stuff.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
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Jan 29, 2009
1:38 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Thanks Guys and yes Kevin they made it through this last cold snap..
Scott, these birds are pretty much all a like as far as body, shape etc... I have 20 some of them, the fellow I got them from has kept them pure since he got them. I too have heard Grover got birds from many places, I was also told he has a family of crests out there somewhere. So far I am pretty impressed with them, I will have to see what the air brings... It has been interesting to see the differences in each of the families. Anything you could share on Grover would be welcomed.
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rollernewbie
393 posts
Jan 29, 2009
1:57 PM
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those birds looking great Mike..
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RollerNewbie
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Scott
1596 posts
Jan 29, 2009
2:00 PM
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Not crests Mike, "peaks" the crests come from crossbreeding,the peaks you will find in paticular strains.
I think that your best bet would to be find out the band numbers of the originals and call Chan to get the scoop on the parantage and the families that they are from.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
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Jan 29, 2009
2:05 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
This is a pair of Turners raised by Engerman
These are Pensoms the two dark checks are fifty footers, not sure what I am going to do here yet.
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Scott
1597 posts
Jan 29, 2009
2:12 PM
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Mike, do you truelly believe those are Pensom type birds ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
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Jan 29, 2009
2:13 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
These last four are all out of the same parents..The two colored ones remind me of xmas tree decorations..Have to see if they make it in the air or become cat food.
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Lipper
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Jan 29, 2009
2:19 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
You know Scott, over the years I have seen so many different Pensom families or so called anyway..Who knows what has been added and what has not to them anymore.. I will tell you that the 2 colored birds look more Pensom than the check/kite cocks..The colored two are hens, they are brothers and sisters. The color is andalusion dilute..We will see here in the next month what happens with them.
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rollernewbie
394 posts
Jan 29, 2009
2:57 PM
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nice turners and pensom pair...
how they doing?
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iowarollers
40 posts
Jan 29, 2009
3:14 PM
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hey mike newbie ??? what do ya mean by 50 footer do ya mean it rolls 50 ft in the air when it's in it's roll thanks kevin
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rollernewbie
395 posts
Jan 29, 2009
3:18 PM
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hey Kevin,
i think Mike means 50Ft meaning the depth of the roll..
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rollernewbie
396 posts
Jan 29, 2009
3:18 PM
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hey Kevin,
i think Mike means 50Ft meaning the depth of the roll..
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RollerNewbie
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iowarollers
41 posts
Jan 29, 2009
3:21 PM
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oic way new at this so bear w/ me lols kevin
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rollernewbie
397 posts
Jan 29, 2009
3:35 PM
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its cool..
i myself is still learning..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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rollernewbie
399 posts
Jan 29, 2009
3:48 PM
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lol..mustve been a bug??..lmao..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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iowarollers
44 posts
Jan 29, 2009
3:50 PM
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ya there ya go pr rollers lols now i get it my puter froze up and that is how it happened lols
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PR_rollers
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2408 posts
Jan 29, 2009
4:05 PM
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I know that happens to me too..I hit send again thinking it didn't go the first time too..no problem thought I show you anyway where you have the delete and edit button in case you need it in the future..peace..
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Ralph
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Scott
1598 posts
Jan 29, 2009
4:17 PM
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Why wouldn't you know whats been added Mike ?
(You know Scott, over the years I have seen so many different Pensom families or so called anyway..Who knows what has been added and what has not to them anymore.)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Sunflower
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251 posts
Jan 29, 2009
4:18 PM
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Mike, I don't think those 2 hens are andalusian. From the pictures they look more like dominant opal to me. What are the parents?
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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PR_rollers
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Jan 29, 2009
4:32 PM
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Joe the Andalusian would be darker in blue am I right?
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Ralph
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Sunflower
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Jan 29, 2009
4:36 PM
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Yes Ralph plus the pink color showing thru leads me to believe it is opal rather than indigo.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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spinningdemon
258 posts
Jan 29, 2009
4:48 PM
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Nice birds Mike I would like to know how they do for you.
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David Curneal
www.freewebs.com/dcurneal
www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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XRollers
6 posts
Jan 29, 2009
5:18 PM
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ummmm Lipper arent these the birds u or some1 selling on eggbid
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rollernewbie
401 posts
Jan 29, 2009
5:47 PM
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i was also wondering that too..
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Billy AKA RollerNewbie
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fhtfire
1782 posts
Jan 29, 2009
6:17 PM
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We must remember that there are no Pensoms left...I think he no longer breeds pigeons...LOL...any birds that are Pensom now...are not....like we all have posted in the past...once you breed a couple generations...they are now your birds....I can assure you that we are way past two generations on any Pensom based birds.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Scott
1599 posts
Jan 29, 2009
9:09 PM
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Paul, what there still is, is straight Pensom blood.
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Scott
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JDA
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141 posts
Jan 29, 2009
10:33 PM
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Scott-You got that right,and quite a lot of it.JDA
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Bill C
198 posts
Jan 29, 2009
10:44 PM
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I think Paul and Scott are both right and in agreement here.
Paul is right that there are not any Pensom birds left with his name attached to them. Once you breed these birds they are yours. People use his name to sell birds or promote their birds as being what he had back them.
However, Scott is right that there is still the blood line going on today that came from the imports and the birds Pensom raised. There are guys who did not cross everything into their blood lines like McCully, Herb Sparks, Jay Starley, Ken Easley, Borges, Kiser and Mike Curtis ect.
Most rollers today have been crossed many times over and did not stay with a paticular blood line. Not that you cant cross birds, 514 was a total outcross and worked out great.
SO you are both right in my eyes. Bill
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Lipper
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Jan 30, 2009
7:49 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Xrollers yes they were on eggbid and did not sell. I got them with some other stuff fromm New England.
Opal or Andalusion? All I know is that they are ugly as sin..I will get the parentage on what remains down the road... As far as Pensoms go, unless we have pedigrees dating all the way back there is no 100% surety... So I guess we have proven right here that pedigrees can be beneficial..To tell you the truth of the matter I really dont care what they go back to, my only concern is how they perform from here on. Who knows, maybe in a month or two I will be telling Scott about "The Little Pink Pigeon That Can"...LOL
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Sunflower
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253 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:11 AM
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Hey Mike, as long as you are happy with them, that is all that counts. Fly the hell out of them and if the perform to standard then they were worth the money, right.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Lipper
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Jan 30, 2009
8:22 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Joe,
I'm not one to try and pick a bird by its appearance, but these Grover birds have me pumped a bit..Thats why I bought over 20 of them..I talked to the breeder and his references, everyone that has them loves them so we will see... I am flying my Hardesty's now and they are just coming into the roll. The Plonas from John Underberg do a good job for him so no worries there... I am very optomistic I will be able to mix the families I have into a line of class "A" rollers..Now we could have some very interesting discussions here if those two "Pink" pigeons get it done..LOL
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Sunflower
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257 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:36 AM
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I understand, Chan Grover has a hell of a reputation as a first class roller man. I have a light tort hen that came fom John Underberg that is a dandy. Unfortunately she got old and crapped out.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
1603 posts
Jan 30, 2009
8:51 AM
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Mike,Ken Firl here is very close to Chan,as is Bill C I think.
Scott
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
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Jan 30, 2009
9:06 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Thanks Scott,
I intend to research the birds that I keep. I just dont want to cloud my mind with the pedigree stuff right now. I dont want any influences in regards to individual birds, until they have proven themselves.
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silent187
340 posts
Jan 30, 2009
1:39 PM
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tight birds..
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Ty Coleman
543 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:36 PM
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When the Indigo gene and reduced get put together you can get these colors, I refer to them as pink lace. One apears to be dbl indigo and reduced. Reduced is sexlinked so it would stand to reason, 2 indigo cocks and 2 reduced indigo hens. This would mean the cock that bred these 4 was either reduced idigo bred to a indigo hen or both parents were indigo and the cock just carried reduced. This is actually one of my goals this year to breed a few of. I have a andy cock that i hope carries reduced that I just stocked out of my comp kit.
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Ty
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Lipper
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Jan 30, 2009
7:43 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Ty, I am not real big into these color things, but I think they can be linked to traits in performance and other things...I have been told that I will be shocked at how well these particular birds roll. I am going to fly them and if they are as good as told you are welcome to a pair if you like.
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Ty Coleman
545 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:47 PM
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Thanks for the offer Mike, but Im a purist like Scott, only I stick to the Turners lol
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Ty
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Lipper
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Jan 30, 2009
7:48 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Ty, I also have some indigos in my Hardesty stuff, I actually have a son off of the first one carl used. I have a young bird that I thought was this beautiful brown/white flight. He has come into the molt and now I dont know what the hell it is...Its almost a brown and dark gold color all mixed up.
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Ty Coleman
546 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:50 PM
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If it is off of the shooting star hen there is no telling what is hiding Tony R likes to combine alot of factors together
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Ty
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Lipper
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Jan 30, 2009
7:52 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Now that is funny...
Scott is really pretty knowledgeable I believe, and I agree with most of what he says. I do believe he is wrong on most of the color thing.
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Ty Coleman
547 posts
Jan 30, 2009
7:57 PM
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Scott has alot of knowledge about the roller that could be learned, I think one of the biggest things is that he stay's within his family to get were he want's to go. If we could just get him to fly purple rollers he would be on top of the game !!! just kidding
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Ty
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