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0221
45 posts
Feb 05, 2009
4:20 PM
Is there any hope for a bird that won't kitt, switches wings, bumps comming in or going out of the loft, rolls loose. I'm only asking if we should just take them out now,or waste time trying to get them on form.
fresnobirdman
487 posts
Feb 05, 2009
5:43 PM
i wait a while..
if its old then its down the road.lol.
but if its young then it would give it some time..

jmo


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3757
1175 posts
Feb 05, 2009
6:08 PM
0221 - In the last 38 years I have never seen a bird that is doing what you described turn out to be anything. This is just my personal opinion and observations.
George R.
1330 posts
Feb 05, 2009
6:17 PM
that Bird is good for Mole ...

George
cballlofts
32 posts
Feb 05, 2009
6:22 PM
0221,
If it is Young Bird, I would let it grow up. If has been in the air for awhile, Well, You know.
Chuck
cr250
199 posts
Feb 05, 2009
7:50 PM
Let me save you some time.I had a bird that would not kit,land on trees,and do all kind of bs.It was out of a good pair.Pulled the bird out of the kit and flew him in another kit of older birds.He started kitting with the older birds and than the roll came in,staight into the ground.Come to find out is was the cock I was breeding that was the cause of it.I was new and getting birds where ever I could find them.The cock was a good bird in the air but,I bought him at a feed store and knew nothing about where he came from.I'am not implying that you are new,just sharing my experience and something I learned.If he is a young bird out of good stock maybe give him some time.
RodSD
167 posts
Feb 06, 2009
12:20 AM
Maybe bad birds will cull themselves naturally?
Scott
1653 posts
Feb 06, 2009
5:05 AM
Feed it a rich mix and fly it daily, if that doesn't help then nothing will.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
wishiwon2
137 posts
Feb 07, 2009
9:53 PM
I am certainly not as experienced as some of those who have already responded.

But, heres my 2 cents worth anyway. If you are asking about a single bird which has all the faults you list, cull it. If you are asking in general terms about a variety of faults on different individual birds my answers are varied.

Birds that are loose in the roll will often tighten up some as they mature. They wont usually go from being sloppy to champions, but you can expect most to gain speed and tightness of roll as they gain physical strength through maturity, up til they're about 2 yrs old.

Out flying depends on the cause. If a bird is rolling too deep or frequent and flying in a kit of seldom performing birds a change of kitmates may help. A little rest and a more rich diet will often 'stiffen' up these kind of birds and get them through their development period. Birds that fly out because they are afraid of the roll (kitmates stimulate rolling) are worthless and ought to be discarded. Those birds that turn away from the team when they have ample opportunity to rejoin ought to be watched closely and corrective measures taken swiftly, as they may affect others in the team and cause multiple birds to have problems.

In my experience, wingswitchers never improve. Although some of my best spinners can roll like crap on bad days, an honest-to-goodness wingswitcher will never roll clean and straight predictably. I have found this to be a very inheritable fault.

Bumping has many causes, infrequent and irregular flying schedule, too light (weak), over stimulated .... or .... genetic flaw, weakness. If it is a mangement error that created conditions where the bird bumped, you are the captain, you fix it. It will usually take a week or two to remedy. If on the other hand the bird lacks control because its bred that way, you are better off to dispose of it. You will have to be the judge of the cause. Be honest with yourself about the birds, dont make excuses for them, but, have realistic expectations too. They aren't machines and they dont perform great every time out, they will make mistakes.

As for how long ... It depends on where you are at with your program. If you are breeding and flying in an established program why waste any unessecary time on marginal birds that likely wont contribute to the promotion of your loft. On the other hand if you are just starting out, every bird seems valuable and having some that perform offers some satisfaction inspite of their flaws. Like I said above, be honest with yourself about your birds and dont make excuses for them. Ask yourself if you want to continue to have to make accomodations for these kinds of problemed birds all the time, because if you keep it and breed from it, you are likely going to get more like it.

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Jon

"had fun, wish i won 2"
If it were easy, everybody would do it ...
gabe454
1528 posts
Feb 07, 2009
9:56 PM
Depends on the family of birds you flying..
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