JohnP
3 posts
Feb 06, 2009
9:33 AM
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Since James Turner was the NBRC President in '96 and '97, Why does He not have anything to do with it now? Does He still have Birds?
John
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spinningdemon
298 posts
Feb 06, 2009
9:41 AM
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Yes james has birds. I do not know why he is not involved. I have e-mailed him several times and learned a bunch. Look him up and ask him that question. I feel that by getting it through others mouths you would be mis-lead.
I will say this there are very few that know about rollers as well as James does.
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David Curneal
www.freewebs.com/dcurneal
www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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Ballrollers
1728 posts
Feb 06, 2009
12:29 PM
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John,
James grew very weary of politics, disrespect, judgement and criticism among rollermen in the hobby, and the unwillingness of some of his critics to put Performance first. He was the object of much of this negativity from some men, in spite of the many contributions that he made to the organizations and the sport, so he decided that one-on-one relationships and backyard flying suited him best. He is still somewhat bitter about some of those things that occurred...and justifiably so.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2009 12:34 PM
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cv rollers
253 posts
Feb 06, 2009
3:35 PM
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sounds like a smart man alot of politics in the roller game !!!!!!!!
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Scott
1657 posts
Feb 06, 2009
4:05 PM
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If it was about performace first he would not have done what he did and there would be no such thing as a so called rare color bird to begin with,not even sure why you felt a need to inject that in, other than that he was what the NBRC needed on the political side.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2009 4:38 PM
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
274 posts
Feb 06, 2009
4:12 PM
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Here we go again. When is a horse too dead to beat any longer?
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Scott
1658 posts
Feb 06, 2009
4:25 PM
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I saw it twitch Joe , it needed just one more bullet I'm afraid
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
275 posts
Feb 06, 2009
4:29 PM
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Okay Scott if you are sure you saw it move.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
260 posts
Feb 06, 2009
6:10 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
I watched a couple of the Turner/Roberts videos. There is a lot to learn from these two, whether you want to follow their side projects or not. I have a pair of Turners here, I have not flown them yet. I do like the way they are put together. One is a bluebar and the other is a black check white flight. Nice birds at any rate..
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Ballrollers
1732 posts
Feb 06, 2009
8:30 PM
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Joe,
That "horse" will never die, it only smells that way. These "discussions" have been going on way before me and Scotty got here and I am afraid they will be going on long after we are gone. It is an unfortunate part of this Hobby to dis another man's birds. If one cannot find something else to make a stink about, then he can always just scream...................MONGRELIZER!.....and he can get a few guys to support him. (Is that a word?) Call 'em "Lawn Darts"! Pass along every negative rumor that you have ever heard about them from guys who have never flown them......LOL! It is just something we do to pass the time between the long days before the next fly.....PMS for Roller guys. :)
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2009 8:30 PM
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macsrollers
25 posts
Feb 06, 2009
11:35 PM
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James Turner is a fine gentleman and a very generous person when it comes to supporting fellow hobbyists with birds, etc. To each there own. The only purebred pigeon, roller or otherwise, is the original pair created by higher powers. I have seen Almonds, Opals, Andulusians, and yellows that can spin with the best. These are projects that require adding spin to color and outstanding results are difficult to acheive. But they can be acheived and are another challenge to the hobby. If a person wants to pay the feed bill, put the time and effort, and enjoys the process of doing so, then so be it. I am proud to have some James Turner Almond blood in my loft and, while a project, has produced an outstanding foundation cock for me. Call them American Color Rollers or whatever title some have created instead of Birmingham rollers, but if the spin is of the right quality, then enjoy them in the air and on the ground with the beauty of color they display. Respectfully, Don M. Mac's Rollers
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Scott
1662 posts
Feb 07, 2009
2:25 AM
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No Cliff it will never die, everytime those barn thumping mongrals are raised up I will raise my voice about them.
As far as trying to stop me by throwing out the "disrespect for ones family", is no different than those that want to call people a racist for not voting for Obama , the disrespect is the undermining of the breed by you and company.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2009 6:52 AM
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RodSD
169 posts
Feb 07, 2009
4:24 AM
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I think it is much harder to breed performance with a particular color than just breed performance with any color. What do you think of that? (Because it is too much challenge the success is almost nil in my opinion.)
Oh yeah, that horse is one of those immortal horse that spawns back alive and gets beaten again. LOL! Maybe someone has a password to go to the next level?
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
266 posts
Feb 07, 2009
10:14 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
(No Cliff it will never die, every time those barn thumping mongrals are raised up I will raise my voice about them.) Scott it is mongrel not mongral..Pretty disrespectful statement more of an attack actually..
(As far as trying to stop me by throwing out the "disrespect for ones family", is no different than those that want to call people a racist for not voting for Obama , the disrespect is the undermining of the breed by you and company.) Wow Scott, can you support this statement with verifiable documentation. I mean really how do you get off making this claim...Where is the finished work?
Just My opinion..
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nicksiders
3250 posts
Feb 07, 2009
11:44 AM
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"....the disrespect is the undermining of the breed by you and company."
I love ya Scott.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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Ballrollers
1733 posts
Feb 07, 2009
6:09 PM
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Now there was a very predictable response to help make my point! Thank you Scotty. Now where you and I differ is that I try not to talk down about other families of birds or anyone's management style. You on the other hand, feel that any other family of rollers, other than your own, and any other roller guy's management techniques are fair game for your criticism and disrespect. I believe that every flyer has the right to make his own choices. I once heard of a flyer, many may have heard of him, who after seeing better birds than he was raising, dumped his whole family and started fresh with the birds he had seen. That flyers name?...... Monty Neibel. We all have personal choices we can make in the roller hobby. If you like Rollers this color or that color, you have choices. If you like Rollers from this family or that family, you have choices. Some guys would like to deny us that privelidge and that right. Scott has made an excellent choice in families. The birds work for him and his management style. His fly records are proof of this fact. I can't think of anything negative to say about his birds, even though rumors abound.......nor would I....
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2009 6:14 PM
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Scott
1667 posts
Feb 07, 2009
9:09 PM
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Thats the point Cliff, we aren't even talking about any particular family of birds,we are talking about a collection of pigeons from crossbreeding over the years to the present accross the country,a family is something that can stand on it's own.
As for my own birds, don't humor me,they are a pain in the ass and take alot of work,but you can inbreed the hell out of them and without the charcatoristics of another breed popping up and they still stand on thier own, only as a breed can .
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2009 9:26 PM
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
276 posts
Feb 07, 2009
10:28 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Scott, I think you should have said family..
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Ballrollers
1739 posts
Feb 08, 2009
6:52 PM
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Scott,
Don't you wish that this crap that you spout off had some basts in reality instead of being just a figment of your imagination? How many times have you voiced your opinion that Color birds are a non-issue? You have tried to give the impression that there are too few around to even make a difference to the overall roller community. If they were all "lawn darts",and don't hold up, there would be none to fly, especially in competition flys, would there?. Guys like me wouldn't be winning the region with them...and against stiff competition. Families of rollers that contain a few rare factors are very common in many areas across the USA. They seem to be growing in popularity for several reasons, mainly because of their quality performance and ease of handling. Why do these "few" birds cause you to react they way you do? " There aren't that many and they will all kill themselves," you tell us. Maybe wishful thinking? LOL! I have been inbreeding my birds for as long as I have them, as have the men before me. So far I have gotten a few that fly as tumblers, a few that fly like tipplers, a few rolldowns, a few straight flying stiffs and several really nice Spinners. So far I have seen no throwback traits. How about you? Any throwbacks to those Wests or Orientals in your family tree? LOL! And how long did you work with your Turners to get such superior knowledge abou them?? What kinds of throwback traits did you get with them? How many flys did you compete with them? Did you pick your breeding pairs out of the air? Did you talk to James if you had problems? I think we all know the answers to thes questions. That's why you're opinion about them is nothing more than hot air....wishful thinking...propoganda.....with no basis in reality. All that doesn't really matter though, because you now have birds that do work well for you and that is what counts... RIGHT?
Guys, I wish it was as easy as some would tell us but the more realistic view is that we all "GROW" in the hobby. We all start with some birds and work our way up to better and better birds. We learn through trial and error what works and what does not. We must learn all the little things that goes with pigeon keeping, loft building, kit box building, keeping the water clean, grit, what grains do what, nest requirements, etc., etc. Not all families are good for a newbie to start with, I think we can agree on that. As flyers become more educated on these birds, the more they want a bigger challenge, faster deeper birds, more frequency, etc., etc., and they work their way up from there. Sometimes they need to change families but often, learning how to breed better rollers only requires more skill from the flyer, putting the right birds in the breeding loft and so on. I digress, sorry. OK we got a few rare factors scattered in a few families across the US? SO WHAT? You say they will all crap out as soon as they hit the air and if you inbreed them you won't get rollers, is that correct? If that is true the "problem" as you see it, they will eliminate themselves quickly and your problem will be solved. I think you are worried about something different, Scott IF you are wrong (heaven forbid), these families of birds with a few rare factors, will compete in flys and do well for the men who fly them, just as they have done for decades. Hmmmmm.
Cliff
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Scott
1680 posts
Feb 08, 2009
8:05 PM
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And you want to talk about inbreeding and family ?
(For me, with some birds it would be possible....with others it would not. Take some of my black white flights for example. Somtimes the only way I can distinguish some of them is by checking the bands. Same with rr, blue check selfs, black selfs and andalusian selfs. Some have a little different type which makes them more identifiable, but some are pretty close in type and feather.)
Like I've said before Cliff, club and regional stuff really doesn't impress me, but still lets not forget the fact that you have to breed non stop and have countless (9) kits going to try and compete.
(Guys like me wouldn't be winning the region with them...)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2009 8:32 PM
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