XRollers
8 posts
Feb 07, 2009
6:58 AM
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Hey guys im new to the site which i forgot to post awhile ago but im from Fresno
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XRollers
9 posts
Feb 07, 2009
8:18 AM
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i dont know him but my cuz bought some rollers from him and they were horrible rollers the deepest they rolled was lower than 10 ft....he said to me he got ripped off
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2009 8:19 AM
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0221
59 posts
Feb 07, 2009
8:24 AM
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xrollers, sorry to hear that. I heard Woodys came from Tom Tillery and that was all Monty's stuff.
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pigeon pete
118 posts
Feb 07, 2009
8:36 AM
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I know a lot of you guys all rate Montys birds, and I rated Monty as a flyer, but only met the man, never saw his birds. Graham Dexter visited Monty on a couple of occasions and when I asked what Montys birds were like he said that he would describe them as very active tumblers. I'll qualify that by stating that at one time anything that didn't roll around 20ft would be called a tumbler by many English fanciers.
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0221
61 posts
Feb 07, 2009
8:45 AM
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Pigeon pete I only saw Monty's bird fly once, they brillant on the day. I spent 5 day's at Graham Dexter's and I didnt see anything I would bring home. So all it really means is that everybody's birds have good days and bad days. that goes for Monty, Graham, Me and You.
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XRollers
10 posts
Feb 07, 2009
8:55 AM
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i visited my cousin alot to see the birds he got from woody but they never rolled deeper than 10 ft and its been almost a year
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0221
63 posts
Feb 07, 2009
9:17 AM
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xrollers, I know a guy who flys Monty's family, He told Me they don't start getting good until after they are a year old. I'm not trying to defend Woody and I really don't know if the birds Your cousin got are Montys family. But if they kitt good and roll correctly, don't get in a hurry. Alot of young guys or people new to the hobby get rid of birds way to soon. enjoy the hobby.
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George R.
1341 posts
Feb 07, 2009
9:20 AM
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could be the keep x roller tell him to try a yoyo maybe he can get some more performance out of them.
good luck
George
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Bill C
219 posts
Feb 07, 2009
12:51 PM
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I never heard anybody say Monty birds were tumblers ever. But if the english say under 10 foot is, they are wrong.
If the birds roll fast with velocity they are good even at 5 or 10 feet. The thing is you can add depth to rollers. That is the easiest thing to do is add depth by breeding your best deep birds. 10 feet will throw a few 20 or 30 and then you start getting better depth. But if the birds are sloppy roller no matter what depth 30 or 50 they are garbage and worthless. But the 10 foot velocity roller is worth its grain to feed if it has qualtiy and velocity.
You can easily add depth but if you do not have quality or velocity you are in for a long hall and probalby will not have good birds in the future. Dont just look at depth. Look at the potential the birds have instead.
I have no idea weather you have good birds or not but if you have deep rollers with out quality and velosity they will only get worse the deeper they get. Bill C
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2009 12:57 PM
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Roll Down
47 posts
Feb 07, 2009
1:07 PM
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Bill C:
I agree 100 % with you on this.
I hope all of the newer fanciers read your post and heed your words.
Geo. D.
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0221
64 posts
Feb 07, 2009
1:11 PM
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The best is a pigeon that appears to not loose alttitude. would'nt it be great to see one that spun for 1 or 2 seconds without losing alttitude. Don't get hung up on depth
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j .wanless
632 posts
Feb 07, 2009
3:07 PM
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hi all
0221 + bill very good advice to the beginner.bill another thing i cant understand on your side is always depth depth all the time.you nailed it earlier velosity will breed the depth we need.trying to breed for depth is dangerous + generally breeds them too deep.and this is something i are an expert on as i wasted 10 yearsbreeding off roll downs.
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530flyer
81 posts
Feb 07, 2009
3:45 PM
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nice post bill...
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530flyer
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Hillsida
71 posts
Feb 07, 2009
4:14 PM
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welcome Xrollers
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XRollers
12 posts
Feb 07, 2009
9:10 PM
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ty all who post back and i hope to learn more from u guys
Last Edited by on Feb 07, 2009 9:11 PM
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gabe454
1527 posts
Feb 07, 2009
9:52 PM
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Welcome to the site Xrollers.
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GABE 454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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toughrollers
4 posts
Feb 07, 2009
10:08 PM
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a very big welcome and hope you get lots of info like im geting
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XRollers
13 posts
Feb 07, 2009
10:10 PM
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thx again and i hope so too toughrollers
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Bill C
222 posts
Feb 07, 2009
10:20 PM
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Hey X roller, get with one or two of your buddies and come to the NCRC roller show. Bring some cash and you can buy a few good birds here. Many guys make a car payment but wont spend a few extra dollars to buy a good pair or good family in squeakers. If you car pool you can split the gas and Fresno is no that far from Lodi. Lodi is a little past Stockton. It would be worth the drive. We will also have some raffle items and I really think we will have a kit box to raffle also. That might be hard to travel with but the birds will fit in a car! Bill C
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XRollers
14 posts
Feb 08, 2009
7:37 AM
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Bill C, i wanna be there but the problem is getting there, i dont even know if im able to go to the NCRC show on that day...just going to keep my hopes up so im able to be there...
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2454 posts
Feb 08, 2009
11:06 PM
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I don't think Monty became a 3 time champ with birds that were tumblers.. and this is the first I hear of this..
Welcome XRoller...
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Ralph
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pigeon pete
132 posts
Feb 09, 2009
6:08 AM
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Sorry X roller, I forgot to welcome you to the site, my mind wanders a bit at times. Hope you enjoy it and get some benefit from the forum.
0221, I think Graham might agree with you, I also never saw anything at Grahams lofts that I would take home either,lol I'm just repeating what he said, it doesn't mean I agree or disagree, after all I never saw Montys birds. Graham could have visited on a couple of bad days, we all have them, even me.
Bill, I agree with all you said, apart from the second sentence. I don't know what the oposite to exageration is(I need a thesaurus) but you did it.lol
I said 20ft not 10ft, which I suppose is even worse from your perspective. Actually it is the Americans that use 10ft as a guide. The World Cup rules state that birds must roll to a minimum depth, suggested minimum is 10ft.
On the depth / quality subject I have lost many good birds over the last couple of years, though BOP and fly aways.I didn't breed any last year due to heavy family commitments, but am hopefull that I will get back on track with the birds I have left even though most of them wouldn't have got in the stock loft 4 years ago. The average depth is right for me in my location, and quality can always be improved, or I should say, I would like it to be improved.
Depth is a funny one in competition. Some fanciers have watched my birds and said they are deep, and others (usually the judge lol), don't think they are deep at all.
I have no axe to grind over Monties birds, it's just that I only ever heard good things about him and his kits on the forums and magazines, and I was suprised to hear a contrary opinion from an experience roller man who had actualy seen them.I havn't asked anyone else's opinion who saw his birds
Some people are just negative period. I'm not including Graham in that statement, but if I know a guy has visited a loft that I'm never likely to visit, such as fanciers from diferent lands, I usually ask what they thought of the loft set-up, the quality of the rollers etc. I once asked a guy who had been to America and judged rollers, what he thought and-- no I'd better not, you will think I am anti-American,LOL
Pete.
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XRollers
18 posts
Feb 09, 2009
7:19 AM
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thx PR rollers, never seen montys bloodline
pigeon pete, its cool since u guys replied
Last Edited by on Feb 09, 2009 7:20 AM
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DeepSpinLofts
1148 posts
Feb 09, 2009
11:47 AM
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Welcome aboard XRollers... 
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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XRollers
24 posts
Feb 09, 2009
2:20 PM
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thx Marcus
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Bill C
231 posts
Feb 09, 2009
9:30 PM
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Hi Pete, I did not realize I was exaggerating? But I do see there are some slight differences from England and the US. You know like you guys drive on the wrong side of the raod! LOL right! or is that us driving on the wrong side? WHo ever invented the first car, please stand up!
The Rules on the 10 foot, are there for a reason. They need to at least go 10 feet or more and roll not tumble to be judges in competitions. But from my point of view you can have a kit rolling 30 or 40 feet and still be tumblers and not rolling. Especailly when you see birds rolling 50 and 60 feet. I have seen some good rollers going 60 feet before, So I know a guy can make them and work with them.
But the rules also say the judge will only judge rollers not tumblers. I take that as birds that were sloppy and slow. Not under 10 feet or 20 feet. They are definately not to judge birds rolling 5 ot 9 feet in depth. I was just pointing out to the fact that those birds that spin with velocity are worth keeping becuase they have potential while deepers birds can (definately not all) be sloppy have no potential.
I have a friend who has the English competiton badges. They tumble under 10 feet mostly and they all tumble at the same time. So I see where in England you would say that. Even Pensom brought over some of those tumblers to show that there is more to a competiton kit than just constant activity and short tumbling. But i would have to say that the competiton Badges were definately tumbling and not rolling like a Birmingham roller does. Bill C
Last Edited by on Feb 09, 2009 9:32 PM
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gotspin7
2233 posts
Feb 10, 2009
6:06 AM
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Welcome to the site XRollers.
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Sal Ortiz
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