tapp
667 posts
Feb 14, 2009
5:49 PM
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---- Hi Guys, I know you have seen this alot, but yeaterday I was flying a kit they haven't been flown for about a week. They came out doing some small breaks nothing more than 15ft. A Starling flew in front of the kit and it looked like they all broke. 4 went at least 30ft tight and fast. I was impressed that they had that depht and quality.But they are not that tight and deep when nothing is bothering them. Theses are late hatch 08's. I've sen this happen with different kits. Maybe a duck or crow or some small birds flying into the kits.I often wonder what gives them the extra pizaz!!! Kim T
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Tapp
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Bill C
239 posts
Feb 14, 2009
10:36 PM
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I have seen the same thing. I suspect that the shock was enough to get them to let lose when they were holding it all in. Then they just had to let it all out. It is always wild birds fly into the kit or near by too. But if a BOP flys by or near they go into fast flying and straight flying. It does shake them up by wild birds they sence it is not a threat but still made them nervous enough to let the roll take over.
They rarely roll when a hawk comes by, they know that is like driving a car with our eyes closed.
Good observation. Bill C
Last Edited by on Feb 14, 2009 10:38 PM
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Bill C
240 posts
Feb 14, 2009
10:51 PM
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This is kind of intersting in a deeper way of thinking also. Here is another way of thought.
The birds see something and instict makes them tighten up their muscles ( wild bird ) but then they realize just as suddenly that it is not threat so they relax. But they relax too much and it causes them to go into the roll.
Most of you know what the butterfly patern is right. It is flying real slow in the air almost like a butterfly. We want that kind of flying because it makes the birds set up for rolling more. That is why we often feed wheat and milo to break them down and get a fit flyer and get him flying slowly and you got roll. In fact the guys winning big in the competitions are better at minipulating their kit to get the most roll out of them with flying patern and feed.
Pensom always said if a guy could figure out what makes them roll he would be far ahead of the game. I think it is obvious there is many things involved but being relaxed may be one of the strong points to work towards with a kit in the air. Feeding strait milo does get the fat off them and into a slower flying pattern if not overdone.
How to get them to relax on command? I have not a clue. Bill C
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Windjammer Loft
706 posts
Feb 15, 2009
5:55 AM
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tapp...to me its the element of "suprise" that makes the birds go into this action. Just my opinion....
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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quality
173 posts
Feb 15, 2009
6:00 AM
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I beleive my birds are pretty much relaxed sitting in their kit boxes, I can walk in & they just sit there, theres a couple that will flutter around. When I release them they all have to be on the floor, no problems, open the door, out they go, really hard working kits, pretty much everytime. Straight Western Wheat diet, some red milo, not too much or they stop the close kitting, open up a little. The birds land trap within 15-20 minutes. Then they all have to be on the floor to get fed, any that are still outside, come through the traps. The no fear pigeons are on the cup, picking already, fed, water all the time. Back to the perches, All with me standing inside the kit box, no problem. ROUTINE!!!! They have to have routine to relax, the same thing over & over again, everyday, the same, same, same,
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Yours in the Hobby
Don Lunau
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pisto
144 posts
Feb 15, 2009
12:17 PM
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when i fly i scare them out of the cage to give them an adrenilan rush.but after a while they get used to it and it just becomes a routine. im trying to find a way to get them pumped up and going.any suggestions
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TimP
160 posts
Feb 15, 2009
5:22 PM
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Hey Tapp, about 2-3 years ago I was judgeing the ICRC fly out here in Cali, at one of the guys loft (Juan Navarro) his kit was rusty from lack of flyiong due to the BOP, but at the half way point he had a redtail dive in and spook the kit every single bird broke! I only gave him a 10 because half the birds didn't go deep enough but what a site. The only break for the whole fly. He did have 1 blue checker that broke over 20 times that fly and won best individual.
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J_Star
1884 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:09 AM
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The birds got exited. When you get to find out how to exite your birds, you will get the pizaz more often than you think.
Jay
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tapp
668 posts
Feb 17, 2009
1:40 PM
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pisto, The best thing is to fly your young kits regularly. and proper feeding. Older kit birds don't need flown as much and you have to pay more attention to feed. And if you have the right birds they should break together. It's best to breed birds together that roll on the breaks. Hope this helps some.There is also a time to rest them. and start over. So you aren't flying a bunch of stiffs. And most of all Study your birds close. and be patient. And remember in a compitition you can't do anything to them to stimulate breaks once you call time in!!! You get them right and they will impress you on there own.
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Tapp
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Electric-man
2243 posts
Feb 17, 2009
8:53 PM
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We had a tripple homicide this morning just a few blocks down my street. The shooter was on the run most of the day before they caught him. Anyways, their was several news helicopters flying around some coming over the house. My kit was breaking like crazy today everytime one would come close, depth was better than their normal too. Pretty kool to watch!
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Val
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2009 9:25 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1651 posts
Feb 18, 2009
7:02 AM
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As stated, they get overly excited, but not in a scared way, which greatly increases their lack of control to control the roll.
Val, Ol' buddy..Hope you were "packing" when you were out flying your birds, if ya know what I mean!..Glad they caught the fool..I havent heard about that incident yet.
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Jerry
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