KATCHER
49 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:00 PM
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cud someone point me in the rite direction on the color of this roller ??? every time some one comes over they tell me difrent colors ???
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2009 7:01 PM
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l.h.559
28 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:02 PM
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I THINK IT A DUN RED BAR W/F...
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tou2son
111 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:10 PM
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Yo Katcher,
it is the color you want to call it...lol. It could pass for a black if you wanted. J/k bro. but i would agree with i.h.559.
touson
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spinningdemon
362 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:15 PM
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559 is correct.its a red bar. Is its tail white? if not what color is the bar on its tail if it has one?
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In the air since 1973
Last Edited by on Feb 17, 2009 7:16 PM
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l.h.559
30 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:23 PM
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katcher nice lookin bird there .. what line?
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KATCHER
51 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:49 PM
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REED!!!!
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donnie james
246 posts
Feb 17, 2009
7:55 PM
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its a red bar mkd w/f..............donny james
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AK-Roller Loft
110 posts
Feb 17, 2009
8:03 PM
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Good One Rob!! Reed !!
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Ak~
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KATCHER
53 posts
Feb 17, 2009
8:33 PM
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thanx ak... just like your khakie!!!
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glenn
213 posts
Feb 17, 2009
9:41 PM
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Hello:
Hello I would call it a Dun Bar Mark because of the white it has in the head area....Glenn
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DeepSpinLofts
1156 posts
Feb 18, 2009
2:04 AM
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I really like the looks of that Red bar with the white flights above.
The last time I had seen a Red-bar with white flights was in 1984 and it was a Fireball Roller.
Take care of that gem KATCHER  Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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harrison
161 posts
Feb 18, 2009
2:17 AM
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I would cal your bird a dark mealy bar. And my bird a light mealy bar. thanx harrison uk
Last Edited by on Feb 18, 2009 2:23 AM
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harrison
165 posts
Feb 18, 2009
2:36 AM
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harrison
168 posts
Feb 18, 2009
2:45 AM
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The birds on the right i would call dark mealy bars or dark mealy pides. Can you belieave these birds are from diffrent pairents.
Last Edited by on Feb 18, 2009 3:02 AM
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Ballrollers
1765 posts
Feb 18, 2009
6:35 AM
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Katcher,
It could also be an Indigo bar. Do you know what the parents are?
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 18, 2009 6:37 AM
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
328 posts
Feb 18, 2009
8:37 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Cliff, my guess would be that this bird definately shows indigo?
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
294 posts
Feb 18, 2009
10:18 AM
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Katcher,
I agree with Cliff, looks alot like a Blue indigo bar. Since dun is a dilute of black I doubt that it is a true dun bar. Could also be a blue bronze bar (carrying kite). Cliff asked the right question, what are the parents?
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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KATCHER
54 posts
Feb 18, 2009
6:08 PM
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thanxs guys!! about his dad he is a reed cook just like him a friend of mine got him from norm and he put him on a blue bar hen!! but i hear allot of colors so wich is it ???? to color balance for performance like frequency and deph i belive color balance is needed ??? so what would be a perfect color to breed him with as far as color balance for performance ???? i am not looking for cute birds just well balanced rollers ??? i wanted to put my best 08 black self hen !!! but a good friend of mine told me. that that would be a hard color to a hard color and i would produce stiffs ???? so let me know from past experiences???
Last Edited by on Feb 18, 2009 6:10 PM
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
298 posts
Feb 18, 2009
9:24 PM
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Katcher,
Since you are obviously an adherent to the color balancing myth. There isn't much I can help you with except to say I have been breeding hard color birds to hard color birds for a lot of years and I have yet to see many stiffs. Put your black self hen on him like you want, you might be surprised and if you get an Andalusian from that mating you will know it is an Indigo Bar. If you get a recessive red then it probably is a blue bronze bar. More important tho is the spin. If the parents are both good in the air then you have a chance of getting some good young from them. If they're not good in the air it doesn't matter what color they are.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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Ballrollers
1770 posts
Feb 19, 2009
12:17 PM
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Katcher,
If you mate that bird to a black white flight, if it is indigo, you will get some andalusian offspring. If I am not mistaken, another indicator would be a washed out tail bar. If we can get a pic of his tail fanned out, it may help us to decide if this bird is indigo. I agree that this bird looks like indigo... But I would rather see a blue bird with indigo off this cock to say with a higher degree of probability.Your bird is not a dun bar, though, in my opinion.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2009 7:18 PM
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Scott
1756 posts
Feb 19, 2009
4:18 PM
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Wasn't this dude just pounding on the mutt colors on another thread ? LOL
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2009 4:19 PM
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KATCHER
71 posts
Feb 19, 2009
8:58 PM
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well scotty wen i purchased the bird i seen the mom and dad and the dad was just like him and he was banded norm reed on him and the guy that i got it from told me it was a dun red bar!! so i got him!!! never did i think it was a mutt!! put if it is a mutt then i guess i am guilty of having one mutt!!! and scotty one question i belive you, that you may only work witht the original colors of the birminham color... but cud you guarentee 100 % that ther is no mutt in your family even if you went back 10 to 30 or to 50 years in your birds??????
( Wasn't this dude just pounding on the mutt colors on another thread ? LOL ) i was told it was a dun!!! i wasl pounding on pink bars white bars and pencil!!!! if dun is a mutt!!! then i guess its a mutt!!! scott...
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3101 posts
Feb 20, 2009
6:12 AM
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Hey Katcher, beware of guys who get their hands on these brand birds and try to resell them based on the reputation of accomplished Fanciers: Scott - Reed - Higgins, etc...people need to go to reputable sources and buy based on the reputation of the Fancier, not the brand name of the birds he says they are.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3102 posts
Feb 20, 2009
6:14 AM
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Hey Harrison, I usually NEVER comment on pictures guys post, but I have to in your case. Those are a couple of extremely nice looking birds you posted. Can you tell us a little of their background and history?
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Scott
1760 posts
Feb 20, 2009
8:24 AM
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Of coarse, nor will you find Indigo in the Reed birds.
( but cud you guarentee 100 % that ther is no mutt in your family even if you went back 10 to 30 or to 50 years in your birds??????)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
346 posts
Feb 20, 2009
8:35 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Indigo is a color modifier found in many pigeon breeds. Evidence indicates it originally came from the middle east. Even today, many breeds from that area show evidence of it in their phenotype. However, because indigo has varying expression depending up the base color, it wasn’t described as something genetically different until the mid-thirties. Wendell Levi and Willard F. Hollander, in unison, worked out the genetics of indigo. I’m not going to go into the now sixty year old history, but if you’re interested this effort is describe in Levi’s book, The Pigeon. Suffice it to say, though, that indigo was found to be non-sex linked dominant in its inheritance. It is not quite a simple dominant, however, and this is why it often goes unrecognized even in racing homers, where I’ve seen it in direct imports from top Belgian lofts. Credit to Frank Mosca...
Of coarse, nor will you find Indigo in the Reed birds.
( but cud you guarentee 100 % that ther is no mutt in your family even if you went back 10 to 30 or to 50 years in your birds??????)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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J_Star
1888 posts
Feb 20, 2009
8:53 AM
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The bird shown above is a red bar mealy. There is no indigo shown. If you look closer to the tail, it shows there is a bar.
Jay
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
303 posts
Feb 20, 2009
10:51 AM
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Jay,
I'm not seeing the ash red on this bird. On my screen it looks blue. Maybe it is just the lighting in the picture. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that it is not a dun. I've never seen a dun in anything other than spread.
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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KATCHER
75 posts
Feb 20, 2009
4:46 PM
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here you go scott take one more look at him today!!! the first picture was wen i first got him as a squeaker... his about one now!! his changed from the first picture!! tell me if he has the mutt color????
Last Edited by on Feb 20, 2009 4:47 PM
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KATCHER
76 posts
Feb 20, 2009
4:50 PM
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i paird him up with my best producer a 00 blue bar hen... will see how he dose this year!!! first time i put him down!! let me know on his pigment!! his changed from the first picture!!
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city-side-lofts
275 posts
Feb 20, 2009
9:40 PM
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I would call ti a dun bar white flight or a reg dun bar
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The man in black
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Phantom1
218 posts
Feb 20, 2009
10:48 PM
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Ash Red and "Dun" are two completely different factors. It is impossible for a bird to be both Ash Red and Dun, the dilute of blue - most commonly referenced as Silver. Dun is the appropriate term applied to Spread Dilute Black.
Indigo is characterized by washing out the tail bar, sometimes it turns the remains of the tail bar to a white, washed out color. Indigo also has a predominantly dark, charcoal colored head such as the bird in question. If there is any question to this, one merely needs to compare the Ash Red Indigo Bar to the Blue-Bar in the pictures provided. There is also a lacing effect on this bird which is also a common expression of Indigo. This is a by-product if you will, and not always present.
If the parents of the bird are known, provided that information could clear this question up pretty quickly.
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
304 posts
Feb 21, 2009
4:47 AM
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Okay, better lighting. Jay you are correct. This is an ash red bar! It isn't a dun!!
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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harrison
205 posts
Feb 21, 2009
10:01 AM
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I AGREE WITH J STAR
my birds have the same neck coulers,same wing coulers,same bar,same white flytes.
When i first so the picture i said it was a dark mealy pide or dark mealy bar. Now i have seen a better picture i would 110% say it is a dark mealy bar/pide. Look at my picture again and you will see that they his no diffrence in the coulers whatsoever.
Thats what we call them in the uk.
Thanks tony for your comments. It his good when someone with a name in the game gives you a good comment CHEERSS. I see that YOUR line of birds are mainly mealys,red bars/ect ect. When I whent to buy some birds from my now good friend steve I was only after getting a couple of pairs to breed out of but endid up coming home with a full kit of 21 lol. he had his old birds out and we was watching them fly and this mealy caught my eye and it was ripping them out way better then any of the other birds. Also there was a red pide. As soon as they landed i said can I buy that one off you and to my amazment he said yes. He said to me "Harrison I can not guarentee you that all the birds you have bought will turn out good but I can say that you will get your moneys worth. And he also said dont sell the birds on to anyone els as if you wanna get rid of them I will buy them back. He wasnt advertising to sell birds he was just over numberd and breeding was only round the corner. so I was VERRY LUCKY. He as a job and the hours he works he doesnt get much time flying his birds so he didnt realy no what could do what. I paid around £5.oo each for them and If i had seen the birds in the sky at his house i would have paid £25.00 £35.00 each no problem. i no the cock comes out of his original hen witch is the spit to the cock himself. I carnt remember the hens pairents but was told that they are not the same once. Last year I just could not get the cock to produce me anything at all. Every one of his young was getting left in the nest and dying. So i splitt the pair up and put those two in the photo together and they raisd a single young bird and I stopt breeding. The young bird was a dunn and it was the most cutest bird i have ever seen. As my look as it I ended up loseing the damm thing . So up to now i dont no how well they produce. There on a young one now. I dont no if its buy chance that only one egg hatchd o if its the birds them self? I do check my eggs and they was red vains in them o els i chuck them out. I no everone has got good birds.( O LIKE TO THINK THEY DO )lol. but this pair and most of my birds are good . O should I say what i was looking for when I was buying them. Sometimes I have been at steves house and have come home with some of his best birds out of his kits. And he says Harrison I can always breed them again I am not botherd as I no that you enjoy and look after your birds. So tony upto now I have yet to fly there young and if there anything like the pairents should be happy.(WILL BE HAPPY) I Have posted a picture of there young but am not sure what couler it his going to be. Thanx again tony and I hope to post some good results of them in the future.yours in roll Harrison uk. PS I do not no the origanal line they are from .pps I have just taken some pictures and the young bird and it feels real loose in the feathers and has his wings dropping beside him. any reason for this?
Can you see what I mean about his feathering?
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2009 1:13 PM
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harrison
207 posts
Feb 21, 2009
10:18 AM
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Sorry Tony I forgot the mealy bold at the top. Well he his the same story to tell you the truth. I got 5 mealys when i bought the birds and 2 of them are back in steves shed for the breeding season as he his working around his mealy familey and his reds as they seem to give the best performance. There must be somthing good about them if steve wants to lend the birds to breed out of to build up his familey? I must say I felt privaliged to do so. even though i never bread them. Its just shows that they must have the goods doesnt it ? Thanx again Harrison uk.
Last Edited by on Feb 21, 2009 10:24 AM
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Sunflower
GOLD MEMBER
305 posts
Feb 22, 2009
4:54 AM
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Hey Harrison,
I know you gentlemen over in the UK call this color a mealy bar but technically it is an ash red bar marked since it does have some white on the head. You can put lipstick on a pig and call her sweetheart but it is still a pig!!LOL
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Keep em Spinning
Joe
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harrison
215 posts
Feb 22, 2009
7:16 AM
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I am not good on the (TECHNICAL SIDE OF COLOR) Just no the colors I have been brought up on so lets say you are right and so am I. lol. yours in roll. Harrison uk
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Ty Coleman
557 posts
Feb 22, 2009
3:30 PM
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As long as it's a true roller, does it matter ? The color is just along for the ride. If it's stock quality breed from it regardless. My opinion !
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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Scott
1764 posts
Feb 22, 2009
4:08 PM
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What the hell does that mean ? LOL
(The color is just along for the ride)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 22, 2009 4:10 PM
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Ty Coleman
558 posts
Feb 22, 2009
4:20 PM
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Fishing again ahh. It means if it does it's job correct the color doesnt matter.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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harrison
217 posts
Feb 22, 2009
5:20 PM
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I Agree with TY. It doesnt matter about the color as long as its a good roller. My birds are my birds and I will call them what color I wish to call them. At the end of the day people wanna see good rollers not good color. I am a birmingham roller flyer and breeder not a show roller man. Then also I love looking at other peoples birds on this website. People might say that I wanna make my mind up as one second I am saying its all about the roll and then saying I like to see photos? and you carnt see a roll in a photo. That makes me laugth when people say that bird photo one and photo whatever look like they can roll? How the hell can you say a bird looks like its got the goods by looking at a photo? just my view, yours in roll Harrison uk.Keep them posting guys and good look to every single one of you on here for 09. over and out.
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