silent187
415 posts
Feb 24, 2009
1:22 PM
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ok somehow when i was gone this last week two pairs lost their mate... now one male has a squab bout 10 days old and i have another hen that has a squab bout maybe 3 to 4 days old and both lost their mate will they still take care of the young or not????
i lost more but the one that had only one squab i put another from the lost one so they can care for two but yeah will that hen and cock with no mate care for their squab??
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nicksiders
3274 posts
Feb 24, 2009
1:38 PM
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They can take care, but a good bet would be to isolate them so as to remove as much stress from the surviving mate to take care of the young. If you have a pair that has young about the same age a pair can successfully raise three.
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Rob408
76 posts
Feb 24, 2009
1:55 PM
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You should be okay Silent. What Nick was trying to say is if you have other pairs on squeakers of the same age, you can put those under them and the pair can raise three squeaks with no problem.
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silent187
417 posts
Feb 24, 2009
2:01 PM
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thats what sucks their all different days old.... thnx rob and nick
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yang501424
223 posts
Feb 24, 2009
2:17 PM
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I had a cock once take care of 3 youngs at the day of maybe 10 days old squab. Its a roller cock not homer!!!
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Good Game Loft
Last Edited by on Feb 24, 2009 2:17 PM
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belper mark
3 posts
Feb 24, 2009
2:36 PM
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i got the same problem at min but my partner hand feeds them
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silent187
418 posts
Feb 24, 2009
5:04 PM
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kool
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JMUrbon
641 posts
Feb 24, 2009
7:20 PM
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I hate to tell you but more than likely the youngest squabs will not make it. The older ones should but I have seen them not make it older than that. If they were in individuals they would stand a better chance but from the sounds of it they are not and that makes for alot of distractions from other cocks and hens. Moving them is likely to cause undo stress to so its kinda like a double edge knife. Good luck with them and hopefuly they all make it. Joe
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SappAttack
11 posts
Feb 24, 2009
7:46 PM
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I have had this problem at 5 days old 3 different times, every time the cock remained.(always seem to loose the hen). Mine turned out FINE, even in an open loft. The only 2 things i could think of that would go wrog are, 1. Te remaining bird wasn't a good parent, 2. The remaining bird was side tracked by another Hen/Cock(depending). From what I have observed, Birminghams are excellent parents and will take really good care of their young. I have tried to use white Homers in the past as fosters, but they managed to kill 4 rounds of rollers, in 4 different ways. DOnt give up on the youngsters till you see em dead, you may be surprized!
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
12 posts
Feb 24, 2009
7:51 PM
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Move the birds that might destract the left parent, if you can. See what the stock is worth!
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2534 posts
Feb 24, 2009
8:28 PM
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SappAttact Thats a good choice move the birds that might distract them .if you move the parents with squab not a good choice as Joe stated above..good luck..
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silent187
423 posts
Feb 24, 2009
8:29 PM
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yeah im checking on them every hour and all is going fine so far...
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SappAttack
14 posts
Feb 24, 2009
8:41 PM
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Thank ya PR! I guess the Opinion of a 3rd year flier might not be as worthless as I thought it would be!
187, if you have noticed that the parent has fed them once you are in good shape. Most likely they'll be OK.
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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silent187
429 posts
Feb 24, 2009
8:57 PM
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awww thank god cause they feed them but only once a day is that good enough??? dont know why only once but yeah is that good???
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SappAttack
16 posts
Feb 24, 2009
9:12 PM
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Im only a 3rd year Birdman.BUT, Once a day should be good enough for the 4 day olds. after 10 days they will start squeking or "begging" and the parent will feed them untill they shut up. Does the remaining parent look like they are in the "Raising Young Mode"? You can tell if a bird is concerned about feeding their babies. Do the remaining birds seem concerned about feedng? Or does it seem like they are thinking about finding a new mate?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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silent187
430 posts
Feb 24, 2009
9:19 PM
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they look like they just care bout eating then relaxing then at night lay on squabs again what would u say
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SappAttack
20 posts
Feb 24, 2009
9:30 PM
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What would I say? Well, i consider myself a newbie. But I have some grest mentors. I would say if they are sitting, then they are in the Raising mode. If they seem to care about ating then relaxing, I would say they were concerned about feeding the babies.. Thats just me. Im sure somebody will disagree, but thats what I think.....
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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juanrollers
262 posts
Feb 24, 2009
9:46 PM
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What's up Silent. What happened to the ones you lost? Did they die or fly away?
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roller alley
101 posts
Feb 24, 2009
9:49 PM
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i have had two hen rear the young till they were weaned.but the odds are against you,what i have done is switch groups of squads from nest to nest to make sure they make it.for example you have 3 hens with squabs 1 has no mate she has 2 squabs,the next nest has 1squab around the same age,the next has 2 slightly older.You can put 3 in one nest problem solved or put an older chick under the single hen to make the time for raising young shorter and the hen with one chick will gladly accept the second squab.you can also throw away the eggs under a hen and put young squabs under her as long as she has been sitting on eggs close to 2 weeks
you can also feed the BR'S they will feed the young.then remove the food after they eat.then fead them again and they will feed the young every time they are fed
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JMUrbon
643 posts
Feb 24, 2009
9:50 PM
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Keep us posted if you would please. Joe
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KATCHER
81 posts
Feb 24, 2009
9:54 PM
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hand feed them!!!
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silent187
434 posts
Feb 25, 2009
6:13 PM
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roller alley thats what im doing.... and JUAN this lil kid living here forced door open and they got out thru a small opening... and JOE they r doing better so far their all good.... hopefully they all make it..
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SappAttack
33 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:24 PM
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So far so good huh? Good to hear! Did you take away the birds that might destract them?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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Electric-man
2256 posts
Feb 25, 2009
7:56 PM
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You never know about these birds! Last year, I had an extra hen in the foster loft. Something topped her and she laid, set on the eggs until they hatched, then raised 2 healthy young ones all by herself.
Last week, I had a single squab in the nest, and it was just old enough to put on the ground, but we had a 2 day cold blast and I left it in the nest. In the mean time, I pulled the cock to try on another hen and figured she would take care of it for 2 days. I didn't get to feed till after dark the following night, so I didn't check on it till the day after, it was so weak it couldn't hold its head up. I guess the damn hen never went back to take care of it at all! She was a foster and it cost her BIG TIME! She will go back in the air and dodge sharks!.
Older cock birds seem to be pretty reliable in my loft, but I never trust a young one when they loose their mate, they will immediatly start looking for another hen and forget about his duties! If they can lure another hen to their nest, sometimes they will even destroy the young to clear the nest!
Just some of my observations!
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Last Edited by on Feb 25, 2009 7:58 PM
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harrison
240 posts
Feb 26, 2009
10:00 AM
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I no that this may sound a horrible idea but I had the same problem as you and a week later they were dead. What my advice to you would be his take the young away and pair your birds back up again as I think in the long run you will find that you are wasting time and also wearing your birds out for nothing. Has for people hand feeding pigeons I also dont see the point as they will never be 110% strong babys. As I dont like killing pigeons (UNLESS FOR GOOD REASON) I dont do it, but I believe that what has happend to you and me his a good reason. I would just put the nesting boul outside the shed and the cold will take them. Yours in roll Harrison uk. ps, The reason that my pairs split I think was due to the cold has in the warmer months I do not lose a single bird.
Last Edited by on Feb 26, 2009 10:02 AM
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silent187
435 posts
Feb 26, 2009
10:04 AM
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NAWWWW i think imma just waste my time then... i like to play my cards and see what happens u never know....
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silent187
436 posts
Feb 26, 2009
10:05 AM
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well if they die ill give a update if they still alive ill update too... so we can know who was right..
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SappAttack
39 posts
Feb 26, 2009
10:21 AM
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Definately dont get rid of the youngsters. Man im tellin you, if you minimize the destractions, and the remaing parent seems to be doing good as of now, YOURE IN GOOD SHAPE!
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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harrison
241 posts
Feb 26, 2009
11:09 AM
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Hi. You askd poeple if they could help you? I said that I had the same problem and if (TOUCH WOOD IT WILL NOT) It happens to me again I would not leave them to single rear. As I could have had them going down again. Now of course I wish you all the best with them and hope that they become good birds for you. yours in roll harrison. PS it his not a case that I am wrong and you are right. (I WISH I COULD PREDICT THE FUTURE) Its all about the odds and if you feel that the odds are i your faver then go for it.... PPS. Are they in a open loft or cages? As she may cause havock with them randy cocks and cause you even more trouble.
Last Edited by on Feb 26, 2009 11:19 AM
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harrison
243 posts
Feb 26, 2009
1:07 PM
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Its nice to no that when people ask for comments and you give them one they appreciate what you have said. ( EVEN IF THEY DONT AGREE)I only tried to help you out.GOOD LOOK . Harrison uk.
Last Edited by on Feb 26, 2009 1:30 PM
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SappAttack
46 posts
Feb 26, 2009
7:53 PM
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harrison... Are you talkin bout me???
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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SappAttack
55 posts
Feb 27, 2009
1:02 AM
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They Hangin in there 187?
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"Texas Style Rollers"
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harrison
248 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:16 PM
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Sapp Attack, Why would I be going on bout you? What I was getting at his that 187 askd for some advice and I gave some. Then he goes on and dont even thank me o sure any respect whatsoever. READ BACK THROUGH THE POSTS AND YOU WILL SEE.... I just found his remarks to be skitty . O IS IT JUST ME? yours in roll Harrison uk.
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Silent
2 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:22 PM
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HAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHA THANK U HARRISON.. i appreciate it but i meant instead oif letting them die i was gonna go ahead and see what happens but appreciate it harrison.. and SAPP they still there all doing fine thank goodness....
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harrison
250 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:30 PM
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Thank you also. I just got the impresion you was been a skity so and so with me.Yours in rol harrison uk.Hope they pull it off mate.
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harrison
251 posts
Feb 27, 2009
12:36 PM
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Non of us want to see our birds dying left, right, and centre on us mate. like i said I am a victim of it. All my point was is I will never give a single bird the chance again as I believe I didnt benefit from it(JUST SET ME BACK) I never said YOU GET THAT BIRD NOW AND KILL IT. i said (MY ADVICE WOULD BE.) And you askd for advice .take care.
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SappAttack
60 posts
Feb 28, 2009
7:55 AM
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What up 187??? How they Doin?your younger ones should be 7-8 days now huh? and bout 14 days on the older?
Whatcha think?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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Silent
6 posts
Feb 28, 2009
4:11 PM
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YEAP so far everything good hope they can ladt couple more days....
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SappAttack
65 posts
Feb 28, 2009
6:46 PM
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Yo 187.... If theyre good this far, youre good to go unless they get destracted. Have you done anything to eliminate destractions?
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"Texas Style Rollers"
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Silent
17 posts
Feb 28, 2009
11:58 PM
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i havent so im going to cause i have feeling this certain cock is trying to..
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harrison
257 posts
Mar 01, 2009
8:38 AM
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Hi 187. I have put my cocks back into the breeding pen and will leave them to get settled back in and pick there boxes. In my loft the door is on the side and when you open the main door there is a safety door (never have booth doors open at the same time) so I never get birds escapeing. in between the two doors there is anougth room for my chair. lol. So I will sit for hours on end drinking coffe watching who his doing what and who the bullies are. lol. His there a way that you can observe youre birds without getting to close and destractng them? As soon as I spot a bullie he goes into a breeding cage. Keep youre eye on them and keep us posted. yours in roll Harrison uk.
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harrison
261 posts
Mar 01, 2009
9:18 AM
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187. I have just been on the uk site and there is a post called DOUBLE HEADER> There is a lad and some photoes of a bird he hand reard in 06. Take a look yours in roll harrison uk.( IT REALY DOES WORK IF YOU NO HOW>
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Silent
21 posts
Mar 01, 2009
5:57 PM
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ok will do..
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SappAttack
71 posts
Mar 02, 2009
6:24 PM
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They still lookin good?
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J.C.
"Texas Style Rollers"
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