fhtfire
1824 posts
Feb 26, 2009
4:27 PM
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Hey All,
This is a Hen that I just pulled for stock...she is an 07 pure Mort...from my Red Mottle Cock (just died), and my Blue Bar Mort Hen. She was fast as hell, 20-40'....Joe Urbon saw this bird about a month ago and saw her hit the 40'mark...and his comments made me pull this bird....I have flown her for 2 years and she is nails...so here she is...
Rock and ROLL
Paul
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XRollers
33 posts
Feb 26, 2009
4:30 PM
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nice hen! i hope u get some good ones out of her
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toronto15
48 posts
Feb 26, 2009
4:34 PM
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Excellent bird Paul.Hope she breeds great spinners.Glen.
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jnyce
573 posts
Feb 26, 2009
5:24 PM
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Nice hen paul i hope she does well for u
jerry t
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nicksiders
3277 posts
Feb 26, 2009
6:10 PM
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YES
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530flyer
125 posts
Feb 26, 2009
7:28 PM
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nice hen paul....good luck..
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530flyer
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2545 posts
Feb 26, 2009
8:16 PM
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Now that's a powerhouse..good luck Paul....
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Ralph
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JMUrbon
647 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:11 PM
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Paul I truely hope that hen breeds for you as good as she is. It will be interesting to see how she does in the stock loft. Joe
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A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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fhtfire
1831 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:32 PM
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After talking with you that day at my house...and she racked up that 40' roll....I had to pull her...so Joe Urbon..made me a breeding decision...I hope she does too..I will owe you a lunch...for giving me a nudge..
rock and ROLL
Paul
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JMUrbon
652 posts
Feb 26, 2009
9:38 PM
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I just know how easy it is to loose the good ones these days. So do you. I have always said that to build a great kit you have to first build a great stock loft. Far to many great birds are lost to preditors and overflies just because they were needed in the kit to hopefully win a fly. I am glad you pulled her and the others. You have obviously listened to more than just me. Your stock loft shows that. Joe
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A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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tou_vang
514 posts
Feb 26, 2009
11:36 PM
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very nice hen!! good luck!!
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tthoj
24 posts
Feb 26, 2009
11:51 PM
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Beautiful!
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DeepSpinLofts
1190 posts
Feb 27, 2009
1:08 AM
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 Joe Urbon knows good birds that should be utilized for breeding purposes. Concentration on the stock loft Paul is perhaps the best way for all of us to genetically engineer those top notch spinners we all desire for competition. The key formula here is having the proper stock to begin with in the first place.
NOTE: We get this particular stock by selectively picking the very best performers out of the air.
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The rest is merely left up to feeding, breeding, cleaning, training and routinely flying (proper loft management).
....well anyway
Paul... I was just wondering if you by any chance have any of that old Higgins stuff in your lofts. Jerry Higgins old line was the old pure Pensom stuff that was deep but not as frequent as he liked them to be. Jim Lippincott from Apple Valley and Jerry traded a few birds back in the day. In the late 70's Jerry made a few introductions through David Sanchez and Richard Espinoza. The birds he used were down from Joe Houghton's 5071/199 famous pair. The birds that Dave and Richard recieved back in the mid 70's were birds that came down through this pair or decendants of this pair. Keep in mind these birds were down from one of the greatest breeders of all time Mr. Bruce Cooper of Kelso Washington!
NOTE: Bruce Cooper in the 50's and 60's was a household name in the roller world. He was the fundamental reason why the Northwest had so many great Birmingham roller pigeons via his good friend the late Bill Pensom.
Later in the late 80's Ron Kumro and Jerry exchanged a few birds to which it helped both of them in the process. Ron Kumro of course got his birds directly from Joe Houghton so in essence they were of the same makeup. Jerry's 923 cock bird is behind alot of birds floating around the entire country today. Three generations behind this cock and you will find the 5071/199 pair on a certified pedigree.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2009 1:09 AM
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J_Star
1892 posts
Feb 27, 2009
5:24 AM
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Paul, she is a true looker and typical body style of Morts. I have, from you, a blue bar self that looks exactly like her and perform probably like you described.
Jay
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fhtfire
1834 posts
Feb 27, 2009
8:39 AM
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Marcus,
I dont know the complete History on the Mort birds...but Brad W. form Utah flys the same stuff...but I know that the birds are Plona based and Mort brought in the some Higgins...they originated I believe from Jay Starly and Scott Campbell(Utah)..I know that when I first got them...most were real deep and fast....but were not frequent and they had big breaks...that is the main reason I crossed with the Ruby Rollers...because I wanted to get the frequency of the RUby's with the power of the Mort birds...But the Mort pairs that I selected and work with are alot more frequent then my originals...and this hen I pulled is a frequent bird or pure Mort.....I am putting her on a Grizzle Mort Cock that I have....that is out of my 97 Grizzle Hen that is not longer with us....and a Super Tort Cock that I had that too is no longer with us....now it is just wait and see...
What you see is what most of my stock hens look like..even the Ruby Rollers have the same look and the Crosses look like a Ruby...but with Power...
I know there is Higgins in the line but how much I dont know....I dont really know much about the total background of the Mort birds...I know that Mort did use the Higgins birds in the 80's and Early 90's...to add some spice to the Plona based birds
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2009 8:40 AM
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DeepSpinLofts
1192 posts
Feb 27, 2009
9:23 AM
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Thanks for the info Paul and best of luck with your family!
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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fhtfire
1840 posts
Feb 27, 2009
7:47 PM
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thanks! Marcus
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donnie james
275 posts
Feb 27, 2009
8:47 PM
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hay paul very nice looking hen and i want to wish you all the best with her ..............donny james
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winwardrollers
161 posts
Feb 27, 2009
8:57 PM
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Paul
Only Morteza knows the full story on his birds. Knowing morteza that is probably how it will be.
Norm Reed would be more correct than Higgins bird.
My guess is that grizzles would be from Scott Campbell of Ogden birds. Blacks and Lavender birds would be Plona from Winward.
Who knows this many generations now what came from what...That's why they are "Paul Fullertons birds" now.
bwinward
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2009 8:59 PM
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winwardrollers
162 posts
Feb 27, 2009
9:09 PM
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Paul
Like the red Checker hen ..from the picture like lots about the bird.
One thing that I see and the picture maybe deceiving is that the Secondary flights look wide.
If I was breeding the hen I would take this in consideration when finding a mate for her.
B winward
Last Edited by on Feb 27, 2009 9:26 PM
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harrison
255 posts
Feb 28, 2009
3:16 AM
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Nice looking hen. I like hens to be nice and tight and small. Yours in roll harrison uk.
Deepspin. nice young there mate are they 09 birds. yours in roll harrison uk.
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3757
1189 posts
Feb 28, 2009
5:44 AM
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Paul - Nice bird and good luck.
Marcus - It really tickles me how 3 years ago hardly anyone even mentioned Bruce's name now he is a household word. Just a little note there were guys talking so much trash about Bruce's birds now those same individuals are trying to get under his wing. People are funny.
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
361 posts
Feb 28, 2009
5:48 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Paul would you email me your # to mike@iowatestinglabs.com
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tthoj
28 posts
Feb 28, 2009
6:19 PM
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Hey Paul,
This is Thomas the guy who bought your 8 squeakers at the NCRC acution today. I would love to see some pics of your breeder(of the sqeakers your planning to give me in June) if you dont mine sharing them. I have read some post in the search engine about your birds and checked your scoring in the flys and I refuse to wait for them now(lol)! But I will wait for them though. I know it will be worth it. Last but not least do you mind when I come get the sqeakers if I see your ruby/Mort fly(if it is possible for you to fly)?
Thanks,
Thomas Thao
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STUDENT 2 THE GAME
71 posts
Mar 01, 2009
10:23 AM
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Lucky Mike didnt hear me .. I had all intintion of bringing them home .. very lucky ... I will wait for next time and have no problem doing so .I know what Paul has produced by sight !
STUDENT 2 THE GAME
N.C.R.C.
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tthoj
31 posts
Mar 01, 2009
6:13 PM
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Yea i Guess I did won with a little bit of luck. Cause I think I did heard someone yelling out some amount of money. But man luckily you didnt outbid me. I be on the look out for you next time. If your bidding on Paul's birds than I let you get them(haha forreal). YOu were the dude that had the name tag Larry if im not mistaken? Also were you the one who took home the Dave Henderson pair?
P.S. If you have seen Paul bird by sight tell me a little bit about from your perspective.
Thanks
Thomas Thao
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Hector Coya
431 posts
Mar 01, 2009
6:45 PM
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Marcus,
From what i know,Higgins had alot of Bob Scott birds up till the late 80s,i might be wrong,hopefully somone know better.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2575 posts
Mar 01, 2009
7:06 PM
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Hey Hector sup..Jerry Higgins had started back in 1969 with alot of different kind of strains of birds and mostly ended with alot of Bob Scott birds those birds were straight Pensom and alot of Smith birds in then and he raise them for all the better part of 25 yrs.this is coming from the horses mouth himself.----------
Ralph
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Hector Coya
432 posts
Mar 01, 2009
7:17 PM
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Hey Ralph,
yea i know ,thanks,
Ive got alot of Bob Scott's records and it shows which birds whent to Jerry and many others.
Thanks Hector Coya-SGVS
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The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog,
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winwardrollers
169 posts
Mar 01, 2009
9:28 PM
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Hector
Do you info. on what J Leroy smith Birds they came from that would be interesting to me.
I guess Jerry would have that information?
bwinward
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Hector Coya
433 posts
Mar 02, 2009
6:10 PM
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winwardrollers
I dont know much about the Higgins birds,I Know he had alot of the Redheaded hen back in the 80s,but the J Leroy Smith,i dont know.
Hector Coya-SGVS
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The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog,
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2586 posts
Mar 02, 2009
6:36 PM
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Hey Hector did you get to see Bob Scott #852 dark checker cock it was from #1341 bird that was #514 family...it was a bird he gave to Jerry Higgins and Jerry was very happy with that birds a super star ...
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Ralph
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Hector Coya
441 posts
Mar 03, 2009
9:04 PM
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Hey Ralph
No i never saw that bird.
im wondering if this guys that where saying that Jerry had Scott C birds might have just thought that by reading the Pedegrees that Jerry had that sayed Scott on them when in reality it was Bob Scott.
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The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog,
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2598 posts
Mar 03, 2009
9:43 PM
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I don't know Hector all I know is that The more i know mankind,the more i love my Dog too, lol'''
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If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Ralph.
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CSRA
1757 posts
Mar 08, 2009
7:12 PM
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Fhtfire goodluck with her
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