iowarollers
105 posts
Mar 01, 2009
11:05 AM
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this is my new white female or is it
nope it is a yellow roller
and my male white roller
nope it is a red roller
this is what i learned this weekend roller colors 101
kevin
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nicksiders
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3286 posts
Mar 01, 2009
11:23 AM
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You got a grizzle
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iowarollers
107 posts
Mar 01, 2009
11:25 AM
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both grizzle or what lols
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nicksiders
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Mar 01, 2009
11:28 AM
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Both are grizzles
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J_Star
1894 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:11 AM
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This is double homogeneous grizzle. If the white roller has bull eyes, then it is pure white, otherwise, it is double homo grizzle. Most the time it is Red based and on occasion Blue based.
Jay
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DeepSpinLofts
1195 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:12 AM
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Hmmm.... interesting.
My whites come off Grizzles+Torts too.
Personally, I don't like Bull-eyed whites. WH Pensom says Bull-eyed rollers lack expression. I prefer Pearl-eyed whites or Lemon-yellow eyes.
Marcus
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Lipper
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376 posts
Mar 02, 2009
7:18 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
The white hen Kevin picked up has pearl eyes and is carrying some grizzle. I showed him two other whites I have, one has a dark blue tail feather, the other a red wing feather. Niether bird has a bull eye. There is not much known about the white cock he has.
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JMUrbon
655 posts
Mar 02, 2009
2:43 PM
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Like J Star stated the whites without bull eyes are likely double factor grizzles and more than likely red grizzle. You keep breeding that bird back to a red grizzle and you will definately get white birds. Joe
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Lipper
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379 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:01 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Joe,
What is the white bird without a bull eye and the Dark blue tail feather? Is this a dark check or what? Thanks!
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JMUrbon
657 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:08 PM
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Well Lipper I am by no means an authority on color but if I had to guess I would say Blue Grizzle. I onlt know the Red grizzle behind the whites because that is how Paul Platz's whites were developed I'm told. Joe
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Lipper
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380 posts
Mar 02, 2009
5:22 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Joe, I have been told you can make pure whites from two red badges over time. I am told that this is where the white sides come from, and progress on from there. Grizzle being as dominate a factor as it is I would assume it would also show in the birds markings? I am not a color breeder either, but it is interesting. I believe Dave Kowalski talks of breeding colors like this in his book..I will check. Best to you..
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PR_rollers
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Mar 02, 2009
8:07 PM
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This is what I found since one way to make white self is to breed red checks to black grizzles.an exceptional white spinner from such a pair will seen to fit the formula .. and you get whites with color eyes.also mating tortoiseshells to lavender or lavender grizzles and red bar grizzles to red bar grizzles.but the spread gene combined with ash red and grizzle has proven to be the most proven mix. then the white produced will actually be a lavender grizzle.since lavender is sometime tough to distinguish from a dirty red bar.you know the spread gene is carried by the bird if it produces blacks or any blacks grizzles.
----------Ralph.
If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Last Edited by on Mar 02, 2009 8:37 PM
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