pigeon pete
196 posts
Mar 06, 2009
9:44 AM
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Scott,
Of course I use substandard birds in my stock loft.
My standard will always be higher than what I have,lol
PR rollers,
That IS the term I used and it was taken off.
Either it was the tone of my post (humour) that got it banned, or you and Scott are getting away with it!
I wonder if you think this is more offensive than stuff that doesn't get clipped,if I can remember it.
I wrote in answer to the original question,
Quote, (Expletive deleted)
If my grandma had --------s would she be my grandad.
Maybe Ty found it offensive and complained, I don't know but he will get worse than that if he stays on roller sites. I remember my very first post on Earls list, well not the subject, but I put my name at the end--Peter Handy.
The first reply was from Kenny Billings which simply said, "Yes I always keep my Peter Handy too",lol
Regards,
Gonads Pete. P.S why aren't BALLrollers and cBALLlofts taken of the site, I think it's discrimination because I'm a foreigner,lol
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2634 posts
Mar 06, 2009
10:09 AM
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Peter Handy"Yes I always keep my Peter Handy too",lol
did he get get ban for that too..lol..
Thats a good one lol... Pete I think you use the words b"""s which testicles sound more classic lol..but i know what you mean there was a post where a guy said got your head up your a@@ and I think that should had been taken off..don't sound right my kid read these post sometimes and she is a grown up but to me still my kid..but what you gonna do huh! soon I think all that will be deleted when Tony does his clean up around here..
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If there is no enemy inside the enemy outside can't do you no harm..
Ralph.
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
411 posts
Mar 06, 2009
10:12 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Scott, I love your grit and style..It is also easy to see your love of the Birmingham Roller and it’s preservation..I have had a lot of enjoyment conversing back and forth with you from thread to thread here..I have learned some things from you along the way as well, such as your inane ability to put a top notch kit together. I would expect you would do fairly well with whatever birds you had at your disposal..
From your postings I have come to this determination about you..Feel free to correct me, for these are only my personal reflections of what I have gained from your writings here. I am going to list them in numerical order to save space and time:
1. You started with a bunch of no name birds, some probably having some color. This did not work for you at all, and was very discouraging. It may have been that the stock here was truly garbage, and you had no chance of success at all. Or; it may have been your inability to cultivate these birds with your knowledge at the time. In any event the decision was made to find the quality you wanted and get rid of your existing birds.
2. You were then fortunate enough to find a breeder with what you were looking for.
3. You got birds from this breeder and also made a mentor out of this breeder.
4. You latched on not only to this breeder’s birds, but also his ideals.
5. You have kept this family “Pure” as far as the birds you acquired are concerned.
6. You have practiced some –inbreeding, line breeding, pretzel breeding etc. insuring the original family.
7. You have become fearful of anything unknown or known that may that may jeopardize your personal past experience and success.
8. You have established that anything contradictory to your experience or your mentors experience is null and void of credit in breeding Birmingham Rollers.
Please do mike,Ill be your Huckleberry.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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J_Star
1896 posts
Mar 06, 2009
11:28 AM
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Thank God the Spring and Summer are on the horizon where people will be outside working with the birds instead of sitting around arguing about color.
What is pure in this loving country of ours? Name one.
Jay
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spinningdemon
392 posts
Mar 06, 2009
11:30 AM
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Tough,
You said "hey guys ,all of us on this site. enjoy our roller pigeons and thats all they are. PIGEONS. we are not in the parlment for debate. we should all be helping each other,"
Very correct once again " The pigeon hobby is to small, we need to incourage not discourage ."
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David Curneal
www.freewebs.com/dcurneal
www.intheair.ning.com
www.saltcreekcustomstone.com
In the air since 1973
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3156 posts
Mar 06, 2009
11:31 AM
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Hey Pete, was that humor? LOL Don't read too much into why I do or do not delete something. Justs so's you know, I don't have time to read every post and some things do get by me.
I will say that "context" is very important in what words or phrases I might leave up, even when it appears to contradict the posting policy. Sometimes I might just be tired and something slips on by.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3157 posts
Mar 06, 2009
11:32 AM
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I want to encourage everybody!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Norm_Knox
292 posts
Mar 06, 2009
11:40 AM
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Man you guys are crazy !!! Just do you'r own darn thing !!! If what you do doesnt affect me directly than I dont care. And like Tony said I Encourage everybody !!!
Norm
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N/A Loft
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toronto15
60 posts
Mar 06, 2009
3:39 PM
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Your absolutely right Norm. I think theres a enough people out there that will make sure there are Birmingham Rollers for our great great grandchildren to enjoy.Glen.
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pigeon pete
197 posts
Mar 06, 2009
3:53 PM
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Tony,
I guess it's not funny if you have to ask if it's a joke or not,lol
You see where I was bought up, it was considered unlady like to engage in rough sports like football and handball,lol so if my gran had some of this sports equipment,nudge nudge wink wink, lol she would be thought of as being too manly,lol and could therefore be mistaken for my grandada,lol.
I will try to indicate the jokes in future by the use of the term lol so no one will misunderstand,lol
Yours in the sport,
Spherical Pete, LOL
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Spin City USA
188 posts
Mar 06, 2009
4:17 PM
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Wow, some of you need to lighten up. I have read every post on this thread. Some have given some good info and I found it educational. But if what is being said from the start does not float your boat move on. I dont think you are going to change some peoples minds either way, and if you could their conviction was not that strong. As for the newbies if they are really in to the birds they will find their way to the top sooner or later. There are no short cuts. Most of us who have been in this for awhile have done that and I think you appreciate more when you find what you want. The newbies ask all the same questions that were asked last month and some newbies will ask them next month. If you can help then please do so as we were all newbies at some time.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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Scott
1794 posts
Mar 06, 2009
5:10 PM
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..I have learned some things from you along the way as well, such as your inane ability to put a top notch kit together. I would expect you would do fairly well with whatever birds you had at your disposal..
(Mike,you are giving me far too much credit I find it very difficult and I don't find anything about these birds easy,and that is why you never see me bragging up my birds or this family.
I scratch and claw for everything that I do with these birds, from building teams to breeding good ones,and that is with a solid gene pool with no crossbred turds floating around in it or playing around with non performance projects which can't help but let culls into the gene pool)
1. You started with a bunch of no name birds, some probably having some color. This did not work for you at all, and was very discouraging. It may have been that the stock here was truly garbage, and you had no chance of success at all. Or; it may have been your inability to cultivate these birds with your knowledge at the time. In any event the decision was made to find the quality you wanted and get rid of your existing birds.
(Mike, I think that this is a process that most of us go through at one time or another, once we hit a point to want to take it to a different level we must get realistic with what we have.
Some make those changes and some are too attached to what is in thier backyards to do so,these are generaly the ones that talk a good game but not much else , for myself I culled everything on the property and never looked back)
2. You were then fortunate enough to find a breeder with what you were looking for.
( I was looking for first class stock that represents the breed, growing up I was allways involved in live stock and poultry including pigeons and I learned the value of a solid gene pool early on)
3. You got birds from this breeder and also made a mentor out of this breeder.
(no, actualy my mentor was Jack Meyers, myself and Kenny Billings became good friends later.
Jack taught me what a good pigeon is and that any bird with the slightest flaw in the roll or exiting the roll has no value,he also taught me about expression type ect. Jack taught me the mechanics of the breed and Kenny taught me the mechanics of this family from his decades of experiance with it which was in valuable,it also taught me the importance of a tight gene pool and the constancy of such)
4. You latched on not only to this breeder’s birds, but also his ideals.
( I latched on to the ideals of those that are serious about flying and the breed)
5. You have kept this family “Pure” as far as the birds you acquired are concerned.
( I have developed a line/family out of this family , the best have it all but they don't come in great numbers by any stretch of the imagination,the goal is to keep them producing such in greater numbers.
It is worth noting that it took several years and countless potential stock birds to find the right few birds to hone around)
6. You have practiced some –inbreeding, line breeding, pretzel breeding etc. insuring the original family.
( there is no other way unless you just want to keep chasing your tail)
7. You have become fearful of anything unknown or known that may that may jeopardize your personal past experience and success.
(actually just the opposite, I want everyone flying good pigeons and is why I do what I do, there is more access to good birds than ever before, but without the proper knowledge there is loads of mongral color bird junk also being passed off as something it isn't , there are also pedigree breeders doing the same.
The new flyers looking to make a mark deserve to know the difference.)
8. You have established that anything contradictory to your experience or your mentors experience is null and void of credit in breeding Birmingham Rollers.
(absolutly)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
3159 posts
Mar 06, 2009
5:14 PM
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hehehehe...pass the kool-aid...LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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winwardrollers
170 posts
Mar 06, 2009
8:28 PM
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Longroller
Remember..."the spin stops here"...smile
Sounds/Reads like a sign that hangs above a color breeders loft...lol
Bwinward
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DeepSpinLofts
1206 posts
Mar 07, 2009
5:29 AM
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Ty... in regards to color, let's keep in mind that this special breed of domestic pigeon comes in many colors/shades and has been cultivated to perfom incredible acrobatic stunts by dedicated breeders, trainers and flyers who are not fundamentally concerned with color.
....and
The sum total of individual achievements of great roller men such as W.H. Pensom, Stan Plona, Frank Lavin, Jerry Higgins, Ralph Hilton, Homer Corderre, Dick Stephens, Carl Hardesty, D.D. Kowalski, Henry Cook, Don Oullette, Ray Perkins, Monty Neible, Joe Houghton, Chandler Grover, Hans Roettenbacher, Ron Kumro, Bob Evans, J. Leroy Smith, Richard Espinoza, Bob Scott, Charlie Saldana, Bruce Cooper and James Turner for better or worse..., will live on in immortality within the roller world right here in the good ole` U.S.A
Allow me the privelege to leave you with this passage by Kowalski about color as it relates to the Birmingham Roller.
====> "When more fanciers understand that the propensity to roll is a mental phenomenon, and the particular delivery of the roll is governed by the bird's body and feather structure, we will see a greater number of excellent performers. And when more fanciers understand how relatively simple it is to produce birds of any chosen color or pattern, we will see more outstanding performers in exotic colors"
--- D.D. Kowalski
Source - "True Spinning Rollers" Chapter 15 Titled "Any Color You Want" by Dave Kowalski
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Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
414 posts
Mar 07, 2009
7:21 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
What flavor would you like Tony...LOL
hehehehe...pass the kool-aid...LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
415 posts
Mar 07, 2009
7:28 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Scott, thanks for your honest reply...This is where my problem is with "purist" ideology..Should the Roller World follow "purist" mindsets; we will never know what may or may not be...I think it is way to early in the game to say this is the best blood here and now that we can hope for..
8. You have established that anything contradictory to your experience or your mentors experience is null and void of credit in breeding Birmingham Rollers.
(absolutly)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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winwardrollers
173 posts
Mar 07, 2009
8:03 AM
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"when more fanciers understand how relatively simple it is to produce birds of any chosen color or pattern, we will see more outstanding performers in exotic colors"
--- D.D. Kowalski
This is still a work in progress..."not relatively simple"..The idea of it.. seems simple..I would agree.. but accomplishing.. exotic's.. is another.
bwinward
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Scott
1796 posts
Mar 07, 2009
8:09 AM
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Hows Kowalski doing with that ?
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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winwardrollers
174 posts
Mar 07, 2009
8:33 AM
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Scott
A few year ago a guy in our area purchased some Almond's from Kowalski.
The short of it is.. they had the color.. which was not that good for color..have not seen a roller yet.
I have been working with differant line of almonds since 1995..it a pretty frustrating project..they would be the first to go if I had to choose.
bwinward
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DeepSpinLofts
1207 posts
Mar 07, 2009
9:01 AM
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Speaking of Almonds... I have some on the way. A friend of mines in the NBRC says he's going to hook me up several to breed and fly out. He says they will cross good into my Plona Torts and Grizzles.
Looks like another 4 or 5 years of hard work here folks. Time to utilize my skills as an Orinthologist and Biogeneticist
Hmmm.....
I think Almonds are a rather interesting plumage color to have in ones loft... however.... we breed strictly for "PERFORMANCE" at Deep Spin Lofts and anything else would be totally unacceptable at this stage in the game.
My main concern is that Almonds remind me too much of Oriental Rollers and I don't want to deviate too far from my overall strategy in the breeding pen.
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
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Scott
1799 posts
Mar 07, 2009
11:27 AM
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Mike, the breed was established and perfected to what a bird can handle pysicaly and mentaly a very long time ago,and is the reason that color birds can't handle it.
I'm afraid that your train of thought will be your archilias heal, these major flys are far to competitive to screw around , there is no room to loose focus.
(Hey Scott, thanks for your honest reply...This is where my problem is with "purist" ideology..Should the Roller World follow "purist" mindsets; we will never know what may or may not be...I think it is way to early in the game to say this is the best blood here and now that we can hope for..)
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
424 posts
Mar 07, 2009
11:38 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Scott, I believe your first sentence to be pure B.S...Who perfected it? Where is your proof of this sentence? I dont want to hear that you or some other individual proved this..Scott this is your opinion not proven fact, and you know it..
Mike, the breed was established and perfected to what a bird can handle pysicaly and mentaly a very long time ago,and is the reason that color birds can't handle it.
I'm afraid that your train of thought will be your archilias heal, these major flys are far to competitive to screw around , there is no room to loose focus.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
1800 posts
Mar 07, 2009
11:53 AM
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Good luck with that heel Mike !!!
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
429 posts
Mar 07, 2009
12:06 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Hey Scott, There are some indigo, andalusion and a couple yellow here...One of the better ones is that ugly andalusion dilute I showed a while back. I dont have any choice but to fly the birds I have..Time will tell what stays and what goes..Right now I have some good roll coming forth but terrible kitting..I am definately feeling the heel...
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Mongrel Lofts
587 posts
Mar 07, 2009
1:35 PM
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Cliff,
You flatter me! Thank You. KGB
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Scott
1802 posts
Mar 07, 2009
1:44 PM
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Mike, I made mention of Jack Meyers earlier, when ever he would spot a color bird in a kit he would say "watch that bird , if it roll it will fall out of the team by the end of the fly" it was rare that he was wrong, although Andys seam to be able to hold up far better than any other color birds.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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