toronto15
73 posts
Mar 08, 2009
4:23 PM
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Who in Canada is flying Monty,s birds,and how are they working for you? Poor spelling,meant Neibel.
Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2009 4:31 PM
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Scott
1817 posts
Mar 08, 2009
5:07 PM
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You have Arron Johnson and Al Hunt out of BC , I'm sure there are a few more,many have birds from John Weins and call then Neibles but they aren't due to other blood crossed in from Hollingsworth I think it was.
Many of The guys in Austrailia fly both Johns and Neibles, I had a few that he bred after Montys death and saw his breeders after Brian Krog got them when I was judging up in BC .
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 08, 2009 5:30 PM
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toronto15
75 posts
Mar 08, 2009
5:43 PM
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Thanks Scott,what was your opinion of these birds and their management?Glen.
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winwardrollers
177 posts
Mar 08, 2009
6:16 PM
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Toronto
The Neibel birds would be hard to fly so you will not find many that fly them.
Monty's birds go back to two strong families.
The cocks side.. would be aBruce Cooper bird 3757 ..who's Dam was 514. 3757 father was 514 son as well. 514 a pensom bird if you want to call it pensom
The hen side..8409 was a bird Don Miller of Utah.. used 8409 to mate to her half brother 92 and produce a kit that won The North Western International in 1989. Clint Hollingworth ended up with 8409 and 92 and Man by the name of Monty Neibel got birds off of 8409. 8409 went back to Plona/Smith birds.
Who knows what Neibel birds are like now days.
This I do know for sure my birds come from the 92 cock and they love to fly..very strong birds hard for a beginner to fly.
bwinward
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toronto15
77 posts
Mar 08, 2009
6:20 PM
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Thanks for the Info bwinward,much appreciated.Glen.
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toughrollers
49 posts
Mar 08, 2009
11:06 PM
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i fly neibel and weins. and yes they are harder to control. but at the same time, they are exelent rollers. the trick is how to feed them so they dont fly up high
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DeepSpinLofts
1208 posts
Mar 09, 2009
2:24 AM
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re: Crossing Neibels with Plonas.
Has anyone out there experienced some luck with that biogenetic experiment?
Marcus
DEEP Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2009 2:38 AM
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winwardrollers
181 posts
Mar 09, 2009
7:04 AM
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Marcus
What is with this picture that you keep posting endlessly? It's the middle of the night are you awake?
bwinward
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Scott
1820 posts
Mar 09, 2009
7:09 AM
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And what is that white one ? it looks to be some sort of High Flyer
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2009 7:20 AM
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Scott
1822 posts
Mar 09, 2009
11:03 AM
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Toronto, pretty much as Brad described, strong and needed to be managed like most stable families, much like my own family.
I had a limited amount of that blood to work with so it was hard to get the potential of that family,the hen I had was in his last W/C win team.
Kenny Billings got to hand choose a few birds after Brian Krog got them and he still has a small stud of them,from what I have seen is the good ones were very good.
Many that had seen both John Weins and Montys birds fly several times seemed to lean towards Johns birds, but then they may have had better access to seeing Johns birds more due to he was easy to get too.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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toronto15
81 posts
Mar 09, 2009
12:47 PM
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Thanks everyone for the information.Toughrollers do you reside in Canada? Glen.
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DeepSpinLofts
1211 posts
Mar 09, 2009
1:04 PM
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bwinward... in regards to your question:
It's called Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press and Democratic Freedom.
Take care....
Marcus
Deep Spin Lofts
Last Edited by on Mar 09, 2009 1:05 PM
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toronto15
82 posts
Mar 09, 2009
2:05 PM
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It sure ain,t Lake Ontario!
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FlyingDutchman
10 posts
Mar 09, 2009
2:57 PM
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I'm sure Tony also appreciates taking up storage space for pictures that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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J_Star
1900 posts
Mar 10, 2009
5:01 AM
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Soctt, would it also help stimulate the economy!! (lol). We need all the help we can get...
Jay
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Santandercol
GOLD MEMBER
3509 posts
Mar 10, 2009
5:43 AM
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I have Monty birds and they are not hard to control.Don't know where you get that rumour from?just don't feed 'em more than a cup for 10 birds.When in flying shape,they are good fed on the Yo-Yo method.They are not as deep a roller as my birds with some Barrett blood crossed into 'em but they are frequent and great kitbirds.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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winwardrollers
185 posts
Mar 10, 2009
8:52 AM
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Santa
Monty's birds would be considered as a stronger family in the rollers. They just take some managing. Just like other families of birds there is feed/fly methods that works and don't..just have to know how to read your birds and adjust.
Jon Weins has been the Only man alive that can get the most out of Monty's birds...Brian Krog was going to show us how it was done..just having the real deal didn't help him..some people just have a nack for flying rollers and getting the most out of them.
Have you flown in the comps? Sounds like your ready...
If I was flying them I would keep in mind that.. a wiff of a popcorn fart may have to much fat contein in it..and send the bird into orbit.
Saying that this particular family of birds is harder to manage ..is not a bad thing..it's more of a compliment.
bwinward
Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2009 11:33 AM
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Scott
1834 posts
Mar 10, 2009
9:23 AM
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Brad, I think that there is a little bit of confusion between control and pulling the most and peaking the team.
I have played with the yo-yo to some degree and it is actualy a very very complex system when it comes to tweaking the birds.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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winwardrollers
188 posts
Mar 10, 2009
12:22 PM
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Scott
I don't like the yo-yo system. To complex..like you said. I use it for a short time now and again but not full committed to it..I like feeding more steady and adjust up or down small amounts for 90%of my feeding.
bwinward
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toronto15
92 posts
Mar 10, 2009
6:37 PM
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Thanks for the Information,logged what I need.How do you delete a topic to save storage space? Or,does Tony do it.Glen.
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